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The UK is now at war with Russia. Enjoy conscription!

NoBacon

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You’ve appeared to ignore my questions again. What’s going on there, big guy?

What mandate does the UK government have to fire missiles at Russia in a conflict that doesn’t involve them? If it’s a moral argument which allows them to do this, could Russia have fired missiles at the UK when they recently massacred millions across the Middle East in illegal invasions predicated on known bullshit?

Please let me know.
 

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Stop pretending like you are a general with all the latest briefings moving pieces on a board and answer the above ☝️. You can, right? You advocate for endless war in ukraine so you must be able to address these basic problems I have?

this isn't a phone conversation.

Your points here boil down to:
1) they're starting WW3!!!!

They aren't. This has been a sustained stalemate with very little territorial change since it started.

2) This is the same as the West attacking Russia!!!

It isn't. There's plenty of precedent for arms sales/security cooperation and when it involves a superpower, it never leads to an attack on the country doing the supplying.

3) Ukraine can't win!!!

Neither can Russia. In the meantime, we're helping to prevent Ukraine from losing because they seem to want to fight the people invading them for some reason.

And no, I'm not a general but I do work at a strategic level so I know what I'm talking about. Tell me about Panera's lunch deals, faggot.
 

NoBacon

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this isn't a phone conversation.

Your points here boil down to:
1) they're starting WW3!!!!

They aren't. This has been a sustained stalemate with very little territorial change since it started.

2) This is the same as the West attacking Russia!!!

It isn't. There's plenty of precedent for arms sales/security cooperation and when it involves a superpower, it never leads to an attack on the country doing the supplying.

3) Ukraine can't win!!!

Neither can Russia. In the meantime, we're helping to prevent Ukraine from losing because they seem to want to fight the people invading them for some reason.

Firing missiles at a nuclear power without any cause to (apart from a moral argument you can’t make because the UK has killed many more millions in illegal invasions on much more flimsy reasons than this) can cause WW3, yes. The rest is irrelevant.
 

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Firing missiles at a nuclear power without any cause to (apart from a moral argument you can’t make because the UK has killed many more millions in illegal invasions on much more flimsy reasons than this) can cause WW3, yes. The rest is irrelevant.

The cause is retaliation... for the missiles Russia sent throughout its 2.5 year invasion.

Escalation would be if these were the first missiles of the war.
 

NoBacon

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The cause is retaliation... for the missiles Russia sent throughout its 2.5 year invasion.

Escalation would be if these were the first missiles of the war.

Russia fired missiles at the UK? Crazy, when was that?
 

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Wait, they have borders now?

Isn’t the problem that nothing stops at them? Aren’t borders racist and meaningless @despacito69? It’s all so confusing!
 

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A genuine Soviet checking in. The biggest weapon Russia has is the fear of their enemies. As long as you believe we can meddle in your elections or can detonate a bomb in London we feel we're winning. I don't understand why westerners don't get this. We actually can't do any of this.
You definitely wouldnt talk like this infront of Russian-Russians. Just because you have no blood running in your veins, doesn't mean your country wholly relies on "bluffs" as a political tactic, or else Russian heads of state would have been assassinated left and right, like Iran's.

Btw even Iran's bluffs arent real bluffs, but meant for their audience's consumption. Bluffs do not exist in World Politics in 2024-2025, every intel agency knows to the precise details, the munitions, individuals, weak spots, numerous war-gamings scenarios, etc etc: where they stand vs their political rivals.

The escalation we're witnessing is sassy Anglo-American tricks to give Trump excuse to say "dastardly dems want to create disasters for me to clean up" meanwhile the real engagements, in the back rooms, continue on, independent of who is selected as president.
 

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You definitely wouldnt talk like this infront of Russian-Russians. Just because you have no blood running in your veins, doesn't mean your country wholly relies on "bluffs" as a political tactic, or else Russian heads of state would have been assassinated left and right, like Iran's.

Btw even Iran's bluffs arent real bluffs, but meant for their audience's consumption. Bluffs do not exist in World Politics in 2024-2025, every intel agency knows to the precise munitions, individuals, weak spots, numerous war-gamings, etc etc: where they stand vs their political rivals.

The escalation we're witnessing is sassy Anglo-American tricks to give Trump excuse to say "dastardly dems want to create disasters for me to clean up" meanwhile the real engagements, in the back rooms, continue on, independent of who is selected as president.
Put your money where your mouth is. Russia will not use nuclear weapons. I'll bet 75 bucks on it. You don't understand our people.
 

NoBacon

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You definitely wouldnt talk like this infront of Russian-Russians. Just because you have no blood running in your veins, doesn't mean your country wholly relies on "bluffs" as a political tactic, or else Russian heads of state would have been assassinated left and right, like Iran's.

Btw even Iran's bluffs arent real bluffs, but meant for their audience's consumption. Bluffs do not exist in World Politics in 2024-2025, every intel agency knows to the precise details, the munitions, individuals, weak spots, numerous war-gamings scenarios, etc etc: where they stand vs their political rivals.

The escalation we're witnessing is sassy Anglo-American tricks to give Trump excuse to say "dastardly dems want to create disasters for me to clean up" meanwhile the real engagements, in the back rooms, continue on, independent of who is selected as president.

Russia have posted footage of Zelensky travelling throughout Kyiv, as proof they can kill him whenever they want.

They’re remarkably restrained, see Putin’s speech tonight about the UK shooting missiles at them.
 

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Russia have posted footage of Zelensky travelling throughout Kyiv, as proof they can kill him whenever they want.

They’re remarkably restrained, see Putin’s speech tonight about the UK shooting missiles at them.
Zelensky can not be killed. Him being a martyr would be far more devastating to Russia than his own people getting sick of him. It's an empty threat.
 

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Put your money where your mouth is. Russia will not use nuclear weapons. I'll bet 75 bucks on it. You don't understand our people.
I agree, no nukes will drop (and if it is, it will be faked)...but Russia is doing things in Ukraine the way it is for one single reason: It wants to dismantle and then work with European NATO, and is doing "smart war" unlike what it did in Syria, where it just carpet bombed, because the Sunni Syrians were no political use for him. If Russia wanted to treat Europe like sub-humans, they could have blocade all gas/oil with a single executive order by Putin, but it wants to cultivate a pro-Russia Europe.

Russia could easily have blitzkrieged into Poland if it wanted to. It's conducting slow shit to buy Europeans time to rebel against their American master. The end, no ifs or buts.

@NoBacon you can delete this thread now, the definitive answer to OP has been made. Anything beyond my post, = sass.
 
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