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Ok so assuming each side bears their own legal expenses in this action, can Quasi tack his part onto the collection expenses and hit Rick with it?
I think the debtor has to be shown to be delinquent before you can charge them for collection efforts. Considering the fact that Tubby fatly declared that he would not pay Quasi a penny "even if the judge ordered me to pay him", that might not be too difficult to show
 

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I think the debtor has to be shown to be delinquent before you can charge them for collection efforts. Considering the fact that Tubby fatly declared that he would not pay Quasi a penny "even if the judge ordered me to pay him", that might not be too difficult to show
He’s already delinquent, this shit was awarded in September
 

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I think the debtor has to be shown to be delinquent before you can charge them for collection efforts. Considering the fact that Tubby fatly declared that he would not pay Quasi a penny "even if the judge ordered me to pay him", that might not be too difficult to show
If you look at the court filings, Jerry's retainer has already been tacked on to Pat's debt.

I was curious whether the SFWA's lawyer's $5k/$6k fee* could be added to Pat's debt, but I think it's moot - the SFWA are going to lose their motion to quash, and can fold and shove their bill accordingly.

* Their lawyer claims he spent $6k over ten hours studying the case and writing up their "but your honor, it's too hard/Indians aren't people" motion, but then tries to charge Quasi $5k for that $6k of work. Is it a discount because they're such good friends? He doesn't say.

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While I'm at it, here's Jerry Jen's costs being added to Pat's bill, along with some interest:

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(Notice that he can get up to speed on the case in less than seven billable hours)

And here's SFWA's IRS filing, in which the organisation that just spent $6k trying to get out of finding some lousy emails claims its senior staff all work for free:

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If you look at the court filings, Jerry's retainer has already been tacked on to Pat's debt.

I was curious whether the SFWA's lawyer's $5k/$6k fee* could be added to Pat's debt, but I think it's moot - the SFWA are going to lose their motion to quash, and can fold and shove their bill accordingly.

* Their lawyer claims he spent $6k over ten hours studying the case and writing up their "but your honor, it's too hard/Indians aren't people" motion, but then tries to charge Quasi $5k for that $6k of work. Is it a discount because they're such good friends? He doesn't say.

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Quite the arrogant chinaman we have here. This, together with the Super Lawyer thing, his ego is approaching Pats.
 
While I'm at it, here's Jerry Jen's costs being added to Pat's bill, along with some interest:



(Notice that he can get up to speed on the case in less than seven billable hours)

And here's SFWA's IRS filing, in which the organisation that just spent $6k trying to get out of finding some lousy emails claims its senior staff all work for free:

Not only did he charge 6k to get up to speed, the quash itself gets a lot of things incorrect, seems to have been filed at the last minute and isn't really tailored to the specifics of this case. It's essentially a template with some names and details changed. He provides no arguments or points of authority as to why they should quash the subpoena. It is also clear he has not dealt with John Doe's as he had no argument other than if he is a real person. He did not comment at all on the fact that all the paperwork Jerry filed establishes him as a recognized attorney for John D 1. Their whole argument is "nuh uh, we don't wanna" at this point.
 
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Not only did he charge 6k to get up to speed, the quash itself gets a lot of things incorrect, seems to have been filed at the last minute and isn't really tailored to the specifics of this case. It's essentially a template with some names and details changed. He provides no arguments or points of authority as to why they should quash the subpoena. It is also clear he has not dealt with John Doe's as he had no argument other than if he is a real person. He did not comment at all on the fact that all the paperwork Jerry filed establishes him as a recognized attorney for John D 1. Their whole argument is "nuh uh, we don't wanna" at this point.
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Not only did he charge 6k to get up to speed, the quash itself gets a lot of things incorrect, seems to have been filed at the last minute and isn't really tailored to the specifics of this case. It's essentially a template with some names and details changed. He provides no arguments or points of authority as to why they should quash the subpoena. It is also clear he has not dealt with John Doe's as he had no argument other than if he is a real person. He did not comment at all on the fact that all the paperwork Jerry filed establishes him as a recognized attorney for John D 1. Their whole argument is "nuh uh, we don't wanna" at this point.
Maybe this is a stupid question, I am a Panera Bread employee after all...... But what would stop someone from just deleting some of the emails before they turn them over, or would they just identify their email addresses and get them directly from the mail server?
 

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Maybe this is a stupid question, I am a Panera Bread employee after all...... But what would stop someone from just deleting some of the emails before they turn them over, or would they just identify their email addresses and get them directly from the mail server?
If a black hat hacker catches you doing it, you go to prison for perjury.

Pat isn't worth it.
 
Maybe this is a stupid question, I am a Panera Bread employee after all...... But what would stop someone from just deleting some of the emails before they turn them over, or would they just identify their email addresses and get them directly from the mail server?

That's every single civil discovery process ever. You're asking, why send a subpoena in any civil case, ever. Then can just say:

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Eventually, someone will get under oath and need to provide justification. Or as you said, they can get them another way...or already have them.
 
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Maybe this is a stupid question, I am a Panera Bread employee after all...... But what would stop someone from just deleting some of the emails before they turn them over, or would they just identify their email addresses and get them directly from the mail server?
Technically nothing, but your own lawyer will chew you out not to do it for his own self-preservation. The lawyer will probably create a record of the steps taken to search for responsive documents. He can limit his searches and play games, but also be sent back to search some more.
 
Technically nothing, but your own lawyer will chew you out not to do it for his own self-preservation. The lawyer will probably create a record of the steps taken to search for responsive documents. He can limit his searches and play games, but also be sent back to search some more.

Exactly. Someone from the SFWA can be put under oath in a deposition, and asked things like
  • Is Tomlinson a member
  • What are the steps during the application process
  • Do you send a welcome email
  • Where are the applications stored
And on. They could keep lying, but then there's more lies and more people involved, more evidence that could be found.

Also, discovery objections happen almost every time. You're supposed to meet and confer to resolve these, but as we saw, they called once. One day before filing the quash. If you read back through "Quashi's Quash", Pena met numerous times for almost two months to try to resolve it, but in the emails that were published you can see Brinton not comprising at all. That's partially responsible for the fees being north of 20k.
 

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Maybe this is a stupid question, I am a Panera Bread employee after all...... But what would stop someone from just deleting some of the emails before they turn them over, or would they just identify their email addresses and get them directly from the mail server?
IMO, if you're going to do that, you better be sure you get everything. Maybe the SFWA can delete everything pertaining to this from their own servers (if they have their own servers) but they were probably emailing Rick on his gmail account and god knows who else. So it will look really bad for the SFWA if they deleted emails but then Google or Microsoft (if they emailed someone using O365) turns over emails that prove that there was correspondence. Also in the case of using an email service there's probably the possibility that there is email archived somewhere that can be recovered.

Even if there is email, they might want to have kept it. Maybe they signed an NDA with Rick and he might have broken it with Josiah and/or others. Maybe they have emails or liTeraTure that states the payments were a loan to Rick.
 
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