Why did Junior try to kill Tony in season 1 and then it was all just forgotten?

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Yeah why exactly was he a high school teacher? Did they explain that?

It never made sense. He was a one in a billion chemistry expert who was smarter than everyone else on the show. He could have invented formulas for the military. Automobile companies. Soap companies. He had connections to the DEA through Hank and could have created a testing lab for them and been an expert on drug manufacturing. He could have founded his own rival company to Gray Matter and competed with them.

Instead he teaches basic chemistry to disinterested high school students. And starts zero businesses. And never even sues Gray Matter. When he purchases the car wash business he does not even create his own soap formulas for the spray washes and hand washes like a high end detailing service would. He does nothing and has no life or hobbies in the show.

Like they tried to write him as this incredible genius but the only thing he ever did well was cook meth. And even Jesse a high school dropout was able to cook his formula. And so could Gale even.

 

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Only on this board could such a simple question turn into a 4 page thread.

Sopranos is talked about so much here that I've considered doing a rewatch, but I feel like I remember every second of the show and lose interest.

 

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He does nothing and has no life or hobbies in the show.

"Waltuh, ya gotta stop having sex with your body-retarded son."

Oh, another thing that is gay in hindsight. Gus Fring, the most careful man on the face of the earth, goes out of his way to keep a clean image and not be directly associated with crime unless absolutely necessary...commits a brutal murder with a box cutter in front of Walt and Jesse. Immediately creates two different witnesses.

 

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"Waltuh, ya gotta stop having sex with your body-retarded son."

Oh, another thing that is gay in hindsight. Gus Fring, the most careful man on the face of the earth, goes out of his way to keep a clean image and not be directly associated with crime unless absolutely necessary...commits a brutal murder with a box cutter in front of Walt and Jesse. Immediately creates two different witnesses.

Member when Walt blew up a guy's car because reasons?

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Again with the fucking walking away and not looking back at the explosion gimmick.

Anyway, good thing gas stations don't have cameras so he was never caught for this.

 

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Member when Walt blew up a guy's car because reasons?

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Again with the fucking walking away and not looking back at the explosion gimmick.

Anyway, good thing gas stations don't have cameras so he was never caught for this.

I had actually completely forgotten that. Imagine the next few minutes. "Seemed kinda odd that that guy just got in his car and left. Oh well, he's probably an innocent teacher who we would never suspect." The comments on that scene are of course riddled with faggotry, but there's at least one real ass dude.

 

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This is explained throughout the show. Tony's father was in prison his whole life when he was young. So Uncle Junior raised him and taught him how to play catch and basically was his father. Melfi once asks Tony about his "father growing up" and Tony responds with something like "my father......I remember one time Uncle Junior and I were playing catch". Because Tony instinctively sees Junior as his father and his actual father as a stranger. Junior is his real father figure. Not his maniac father who cuts off a guy's finger over $100. Half of his therapy is about Tony never admitting he hates his father for showing him the mafia life and encouraging him to join.

So when Junior tries to kill Tony he refuses to accept that Junior and his own mother hate him. He puts the blame on anything else that he can. His mother was demented. Junior did it purely over business and it was not personal at all. Tony wants his own family to like him because he carries traditional values and appearances matter greatly to him. He wants to look normal to the world and be respected despite being a murderer and terrible husband and father.

And he also works hard to try to mend the relationship with Junior and even his own mother. Both fail as his mother dies before they can resolve their issues. And Junior shoots Tony out of paranoia and no longer even recognizing Tony as his nephew and by that point Carmela had warned Tony it was dangerous to leave Junior alive. Deep down inside Tony knows Junior and his father were pieces of shit. But to admit that he also has to admit that he himself is a mafia thug loser who behaves the exact same way. He cannot admit that the mafia is an evil institution and that he is immoral.

Christopher also sees Tony as his father as well. And look how well that relationship worked out.

So the point is that Tony always Junior. And Christopher comes to hate Tony. But they keep it bottled up which causes them to be angry and depressed and miserable. Remember Christopher hugging Tony at his kid's baptism? They all hate each other. But they cannot admit it openly.

Mate you should write a blog or something about the Sopranos. No kidding. You always come up with interesting and well written analyses and insights into the show and its characters.

 

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Remember that scene which totally isn't just an advertisement for cars?

 

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It never made sense. He was a one in a billion chemistry expert who was smarter than everyone else on the show. He could have invented formulas for the military. Automobile companies. Soap companies. He had connections to the DEA through Hank and could have created a testing lab for them and been an expert on drug manufacturing. He could have founded his own rival company to Gray Matter and competed with them.

Instead he teaches basic chemistry to disinterested high school students. And starts zero businesses. And never even sues Gray Matter. When he purchases the car wash business he does not even create his own soap formulas  for the spray washes and hand washes like a high end detailing service would. He does nothing and has no life or hobbies in the show.

Like they tried to write him as this incredible genius but the only thing he ever did well was cook meth. And even Jesse a high school dropout was able to cook his formula. And so could Gale even.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

It never made sense. He was a one in a billion chemistry expert who was smarter than everyone else on the show. He could have invented formulas for the military. Automobile companies. Soap companies. He had connections to the DEA through Hank and could have created a testing lab for them and been an expert on drug manufacturing. He could have founded his own rival company to Gray Matter and competed with them.

Instead he teaches basic chemistry to disinterested high school students. And starts zero businesses. And never even sues Gray Matter. When he purchases the car wash business he does not even create his own soap formulas for the spray washes and hand washes like a high end detailing service would. He does nothing and has no life or hobbies in the show.

Like they tried to write him as this incredible genius but the only thing he ever did well was cook meth. And even Jesse a high school dropout was able to cook his formula. And so could Gale even.

That whole gray matter thing bothered me too. He had one genius idea and then spent the rest of his life sitting in complacency until he made meth.

You’re right, the show stinks

 

[Cancerfuck]

Because Juniyah was like a father figure to Tony, and the one thing that Tony would never demonise is his father - even though he was the one who set him on the track to being a miserable mafia boomer. He's the only parental figure that showed Tony the least bit of affection. It's only when dementia Junior shoots him is when he gets shook, because it's the ultimate shattering of his parental worship. There's a difference between surviving two hired black hitman retards and then having the person you're close to actually shooting you personally.

 

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Remember that scene which totally isn't just an advertisement for cars?

Yeah I remember that scene where Walt randomly mentions "Nissan's triple safety philosophy" oh wait....

 

[EraGodless]

Every show with a killer protagonist does this. Vic Mackey on The Shield had children with autism. Dexter takes in a single mother and her kids. Walter White has a retarded son and is a dweeb. The Sopranos did it in a mocking way where Tony literally does not care when people are murdered, walks away from his nearly cooked alive girlfriend like it is nothing, but burst into tears over ducks that flew away or a horse that burned alive. With the all time classic joke of Furio crying over his dead father and Tony saying for him not to be weak. "You gotta get over that". And immediately cuts to him blubbering over the horse painting. Tony also gets into it with Ralph over a horse initially and then murders him over fat jokes (because he was looking for any reason to whack Ralph because of Tracy the stripper). Yet excuses Ralph's countless murders and assaults of civilians on behalf of the mafia.

Shows always go for some emotional way to make you like the main anti-hero character. Like Vic Mackey solves a bunch of pedophiles crimes using unorthodox police work. Dexter kills pedophiles. The first season of The Wire has a female cop get brutally shot to take the case from a nothing case to the most important case in the entire department where the stakes are now hugely amplified.

The only show where none of the characters had a single redeeming feature was OZ. Maybe Veep but that is more comedy than anything else. In OZ pretty much every character was a psychotic murderer or rapist by the end of the show except for a handful of guards or wardens or family members visiting their prisoner relative. Like I cannot think of a single character on OZ who would return to society properly who was a prisoner.

Breaking Bad went out of its way in the last seasons to rehabilitate Walt's image and Jesse's image. Making them go up against literally 'Muh Nazis'. And then beat them like some faggy DC Comics film. "Yeah bitch!! We killed some Nazis!!". They also made the Nazis child killers just to drive home that they were the new bad guys.

None of them care what is 'right'. Tony kills guys over literally nothing. As does everyone else. Tony is offered witness protection by the FBI multiple times and turns it down so he can instead go out and murder. Tony likes killing so much he even goes out on some of the hits. And kills his own crew members at opportune times like Ralph or Christopher. "We bend more rules than the Catholic Church". They do not even follow the mafia code over small things like Ralph insulting Ginny Sack for being obese. "98lbs mole removed from her ass".

Tony all knew Junior was right but did not care. Neither did their entire crew. Even in the last seasons Phil Leotardo says one of the reasons they should whack Tony is that he went against his own Uncle.

Surveillance was not there during the first three seasons as they were before 9/11. After season three you get the real life surveillance state where every deli or grocery store is now protecting itself like it is Ft Knox. The lack of DNA in the Sopranos is the sloppy writing of every single show where there are murders. Paulie might as well have left vials of blood and jars of semen samples in the room where he smothers Min Matrone to death. "You were always a little bastard!!!". They were never going to get caught with DNA just like neither was Walter White or Dexter. DNA only exists in The Wire and OZ.

Ralph lasted two seasons and it is explained that he was in Florida during the first two seasons. Richie and Tony B are the same characters. Two people that get out of prison and cannot adjust to society. But Tony comes to despise Richie early. And still loves Tony B until the end hence killing him before he can be tortured. So two similar characters but vastly different storylines. Phil Leotardo is around more than one season. And Feech was planned to be around longer but the actor had dementia and could not remember his lines so they quietly wrote him out of the show. David Chase still claims that Robert Loggia was not ill out of respect but people who worked on the show said he could not remember his lines. Pussy, Sil, Eugene, and lots of characters that died were around multiple seasons.

But most shows are like this. Dexter had a new villain every season. Boardwalk Empire would introduced a new villain and kill them off even. You have to remember that these shows would release one season a year or every two years. It worked compared to binge watching everything. This stuff becomes more glaring when you watch the show in one quick binge.

Someone like Terrance Winter was the true brains behind the show. Or David Chase is senile. Or David Chase sold out the Sopranos to some HBO hacks for Many Saints. No other explanations make sense. The drop in quality is insane.

You know the homicide clearance rate is less than 50%, right? These CSI shows make it seem likes it's close to a 100% and there's evidence everywhere-- it's just simply not the case.

 

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You know the homicide clearance rate is less than 50%, right? These CSI shows make it seem likes it's close to a 100% and there's evidence everywhere-- it's just simply not the case.

The clearance rate has nothing to do with forensics. It has to do with liberal fag judges letting people go when they are obviously guilty even when there is a mountain of evidence. And idiot cops who have a third grade education and low IQs. You do not need semen samples and gallons of bloods to make a case. Look at something like the Kristin Smart case. They had a fucking gross spic flat out rape and murder a white girl and bury her on his own property. She was buried with her smartwatch on and its alarm kept going off every morning yet the police did not dig at that spot. A podcaster solved the case on his own without police. In fact police relied on him for information instead of the other way around.

Police are idiots. And judges are all kikes that want criminals out on the street. Fucking cops had Jeffrey Dahmer with a bloody handcuffed underage child running naked from his house. And did not arrest him. They let him take the child back into his house. They are idiots plain and simple. You can become a cop or detective with zero brains.

The clearance rate in this country should be around 90% or more. Ask any FBI agent or private detective about why murders really go unsolved.

 

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@LingerLonger , hey bud, looks like you forgot to rib the quoted post. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped being a fucking jew and fixed this. Thanks.

 

[Uncle Floyd]

You know the homicide clearance rate is less than 50%, right? These CSI shows make it seem likes it's close to a 100% and there's evidence everywhere-- it's just simply not the case.

If you've ever watched The First 48, you'll be disappointed to learn that most cases are solved because of a tip. Like you said, the notion that CSI solves many cases is bogus.

 

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Yeah I remember that scene where Walt randomly mentions "Nissan's triple safety philosophy" oh wait....

"This is so deck! What is this Bose?"
"6 CD changer. It's got surround sound."

Such natural dialogue.

 

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Yeah I remember that scene where Walt randomly mentions "Nissan's triple safety philosophy" oh wait....
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Why the fuck would anyone need to know what a google number is? School is so dumb

 

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Why the fuck would anyone need to know what a google number is? School is so dumb

Almost everything that AJ and Meadow learn in school is a meant to be a joke. Tony and Carmela do not even bother to punish them for failing in school because even they come to hate the school system. Tony knows that AJ is better off working in movies than hanging around with idiot teachers and idiot kids his age. And Meadow is better off married after seeing how miserable Melfi was in her personal life that she tried to juggle while also being a doctor.

When Meadow is picking colleges Tony rips into them immediately. He only wants AJ and Meadow to graduate just to keep face in his community where kids usually graduate. He does not want drop out children. But once AJ gets a job and Meadow marries a powerful lawyer Tony and Carmela immediately stop caring about either of them finishing college.

 

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Every show with a killer protagonist does this. Vic Mackey on The Shield had children with autism. Dexter takes in a single mother and her kids. Walter White has a retarded son and is a dweeb. The Sopranos did it in a mocking way where Tony literally does not care when people are murdered, walks away from his nearly cooked alive girlfriend like it is nothing, but burst into tears over ducks that flew away or a horse that burned alive. With the all time classic joke of Furio crying over his dead father and Tony saying for him not to be weak. "You gotta get over that". And immediately cuts to him blubbering over the horse painting. Tony also gets into it with Ralph over a horse initially and then murders him over fat jokes (because he was looking for any reason to whack Ralph because of Tracy the stripper). Yet excuses Ralph's countless murders and assaults of civilians on behalf of the mafia.

Tony had sympathy for animals because he saw himself as an animal, and he treated humans like cattle.