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Why are we supposed to hate russia exactly?

Saddam Hussein

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The plan would be simply to force Russia to stop. The pussyfooting around is what’s caused so many problems. If Ukraine can defeat Russia just with our guns, imagine what an actual flex would do. As someone who is brainwashed to believe that Russia was our greatest rival, This war has proven that that was always bullshit. Imagine if we tried to invade Afghanistan or Iraq and failed.
And what if Russia doesn’t stop? I don’t thinking nuking Moscow or however we’d put pressure on them would do the world any favors ultimately
 

Jims_Maroon_Pants

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We hate them because they are communist! Wait, no they aren't
Vietnam is though, and we love them.
They invaded a sovereign nation! So did Turkey in 1974 but since turkey is strategically important to the USA, the USA ignores it and does nothing about it.
They point missiles at us! When the USA does it to them it's okay
 

Saddam Hussein

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NO ONE IS NUKING ANYONE lol

They’ve already been forced to turn to Iran and North Korea for help. Or is that fake news too?
How are we going to force them to do anything then? The US public won’t accept troops sent to Ukraine and we’re already doing sanctions/weapons shipments. The only option left is the game over button which everyone is too scared to press
 

Leeeavings

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We hate them because they are communist! Wait, no they aren't
Vietnam is though, and we love them.
They invaded a sovereign nation! So did Turkey in 1974 but since turkey is strategically important to the USA, the USA ignores it and does nothing about it.
They point missiles at us! When the USA does it to them it's okay
We both suck but I live in the USA, so fuck Russia
 

Leeeavings

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How are we going to force them to do anything then? The US public won’t accept troops sent to Ukraine and we’re already doing sanctions/weapons shipments. The only option left is the game over button which everyone is too scared to press
Dude, there are 1 million options left. We haven’t done half the shit that we could. Even our sanctions on Russia are kind of weak. We could crush them tomorrow economically if they didn’t own so much here. Sound familiar?
 

WhereWeAt

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It should be noted that Russia was closer to NATO membership in 2005 than Ukraine has ever been, and instead focused on building a brokedick empire and fell into building closer relations with our adversaries. Venezuela, the Coup Belt, the Shia Crescent, and those bullshit breakaway republics they carved out of Eastern European countries that border them are all symbols of this.

If you're wondering what the average American gains from opposing Russia, I'd ask what they gain from wholesale tolerance of Russian aggression? How does strengthening OPEC's leverage benefit them?

As for this administration's recent actions, I understand pushing everyone towards the negotiating table. I don't understand taking things (NATO membership, weapons sales) off the table publicly before those negotiations begin. Why would anyone do that, let alone someone who sells negotiation as their biggest strength?
 
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Chive Turkey

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Another consideration is that Putin is old as fuck and there's no clear line of succession. It'd be bad fucking news if he dies and a power vacuum/struggle occurs and Russia is still stuck up to the shoulder in a major conflict. The longer the war goes on, the more realistic that scenario becomes and can motivate Russia to accept a settlement.
 

Leeeavings

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Enlighten me on the million options
Sanctions
Fines
Seizures
More weapons
Air support
Naval support
Ban Russia from economic forums entirely

All without US troops. But Russia has a lot of money. That’s what we really care about. Plus their outsized influence on the GOP and the world disinformation web garners a lot of support from people willing to believe their bullshit simply because they don’t trust American media anymore. It’s that darn black-and-white thinking again.
 

CuntFucker .

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I hate them for being vicious animals. Their murder rate is very high. Domestic violence is extremely common. They even decriminalized it within marriage.

They have a long history of weaponizing rape. They do it systematically in Ukraine since 2022. I also hate them for abducting Ukrainian children by the thousands. Fuck Russia. They are the worst scumbags of the three dominant superpowers.

That said, I wouldn't want war with them anyway.
 
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