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I'm atheist. Deal with it.
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Eric, why did you run under the Green Party when you ran for WI State Assembly in 2020?
Why not as a Democrat? You a jill stein type of guy?
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He couldn’t buy himself into the circle. Wisconsins Democratic Party is known for its corporate shilling and greedy corruption.
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"Yeah, that's it. That's the one I'll put on the back of the book. I totally don't look like a loud-and-proud pedophile."
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Thanks for answering. What do you suggest civilized society does to stop such a backwards threat to our way of life? Send out atheist missionaries to convince them to change their beliefs?
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"Look I know your beliefs give your life meaning, a sense of purpose, a community, answers to tough questions, a supreme authority to rely on and a million other things but can I offer you absolutely nothing? Hey, why are you taking me to the roof?"
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Ya it's usually buried under a shower cap or a wig
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It's the same for when they get war memorials (like crosses) taken down
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Where's the jim florentine yyyyyyyyick when you need it. Not a christian btw, hildy, you're just a fucking faggot.
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Serious question, hildy/ @NormsGhost : why are you this obsessed with atheism at like 50? Most people grow out of it as a teenager or within a couple years at most if they stop believing in god as an adult, yet here you are as a middle aged/borderline elderly man still making it a core part of your personality and ideology for decades. Almost like you're not really a "free thinker", you just switched religions to Sciencetm, Secular Humanismtm, and Democracytm (all registered trademarks of Disney Corp. and sponsored by McDonald's: I'm Loving It!)
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Baste.With people who side with Moira Greyland like you, who needs pedophilia-apologists?
And take your idiotic, wrong-headed view of my faith and shove it up your ass. Jesus said love thine enemy; he didn't say love evil. And you are evil, as your casual lies and defense of pedophiles clearly demonstrates. Jesus taught his followers to be compassionate, patient, and loving; he didn't command them to be nice, especially to demonic filth such as yourself.
There is no shortage of heresies these days.
If you want to adopt some blasphemous, perverted, fun house mirror reflection of Christianity, you will find a veritable buffet of options. You can sift through all the variants and build your own little pet version of the Faith. It’s Ice Cream Social Christianity: make your own sundae! (Or Sunday, as it were.)
And, of all the heretical choices, probably the most common — and possibly the most damaging — is what I’ve come to call the Nice Doctrine.
The propagators of the Nice Doctrine can be seen and heard from anytime any Christian takes any bold stance on any cultural issue, or uses harsh language of any kind, or condemns any sinful act, or fights against evil with any force or conviction at all. As soon as he or she stands and says ‘This is wrong, and I will not compromise,’ the heretics swoop in with their trusty mantras.
They insist that Jesus was a nice man, and that He never would have done anything to upset people. They say that He came down from Heaven to preach tolerance and acceptance, and He wouldn’t have used words that might lead to hurt feelings. They confidently sermonize about a meek and mild Messiah who was born into this Earthly realm on a mission to spark a constructive dialogue.
The believers in Nice Jesus are usually ignorant of Scripture, but they do know that He was ‘friends with prostitutes,’ and once said something about how, like, we shouldn’t get too ticked off about stuff, or whatever. In their minds, he’s essentially a supernatural Cheech Marin.
Read the comments under my previous post about gay rights militants, and you’ll see this heresy illustrated.
That post prompted an especially noteworthy email from someone concerned that I’m not being ‘Christlike,’ because I ‘call people names.’ He said, in part:
“You aren’t spreading Christianity when you talk like that. The whole message of Jesus was that we should be nice to people because we want them to be nice to us. That’s how we can all be happy. Period. It’s that simple.”
Be nice to me, I’ll be nice to you, and we’ll all be happy. This is the ‘whole message’ of Christianity?
Really?
Jesus Christ preached a Truth no deeper or more complex than a slogan on a poster in a Kindergarten classroom?
Really?
A provocative claim, to say the least. I decided to investigate the matter, and sure enough, I found this excerpt from the Sermon on the Mount:
“We’re best friends like friends should be. With a great big hug, and a kiss from me to you, won’t you say you love me too?”
Actually, wait, sorry, that’s from the original Barney theme song.
God help us. We’ve turned the Son of God into a purple dinosaur puppet.
There’s no way to be certain, but most theologians believe that, despite popular perception, Christ looked nothing like this.
I don’t recognize this Jesus.
This moderate. This pacifist. This nice guy.
He’s not the Jesus I read about in the Bible. I read of a strong, manly, stern, and bold Savior. Compassionate, yes. Forgiving, of course. Loving, always loving. But not particularly nice.
He condemned. He denounced. He caused trouble. He disrupted the established order.
On one occasion — or at least one recorded occasion — He used violence. This Jesus saw the money changers in the temple and how did He respond? He wasn’t polite about it. I’d even say He was downright intolerant. He fashioned a whip (this is what the lawyers would call ‘premeditation’) and physically drove the merchants away. He turned over tables and shouted. He caused a scene. [John 2:15]
Assault with a deadly weapon. Vandalism. Disturbing the peace. Worse still, intolerance.
In two words: not nice.
Not nice at all.
Can you imagine how some moderate, pious, ‘nice’ Christians of today would react to that spectacle in the Temple? Can you envision the proponents of the Nice Doctrine, with their wagging fingers and their passive aggressive sighs? I’m sure they’d send Jesus a patronizing email, perhaps leave a disapproving comment under the news article about the incident, reminding Jesus that Jesus would never do what Jesus just did.
Personally, I’ve studied the New Testament and found not a single instance of Christ calling for a ‘dialogue’ with evil or seeking the middle ground on an issue. I see an absolutist, unafraid of confrontation. I see a man who did not waver or give credence to the other side. I see someone who never once avoided a dispute by saying that He’ll just ‘agree to disagree.’
I see a Christ who calls the Scribes and Pharisees snakes and vipers. He labels them murderers and blind guides, and ridicules them publicly [Matthew 23:33]. He undermines their authority. He insults them. He castigates them. He’s not very nice to them.
Jesus rebukes and condemns. In Matthew 18, He utilizes morbid and violent imagery, saying that it would be better to drown in the sea with a stone around your neck than to harm a child. Had our modern politicians been around two thousand years ago, I’m sure they’d go on the cable news shows and shake their heads and insist that there’s ‘no place for that kind of language.’
No place for the language of God.
Jesus deliberately did and said things that He knew would upset people. He stirred up division and controversy. He provoked. He didn’t have to break from established customs, but He did. He didn’t have to heal that man’s hand on the Sabbath, knowing how it would disturb others and cause them immense irritation, but He did, and He did so with ‘anger’ [Mark 3:5]. He could have gone with the flow a little bit. He could have chilled out and let bygones be bygones, but He didn’t. He could have been diplomatic, but He wasn’t.
He could have told everyone to relax, but instead He made them uncomfortable. He could have put them at ease, but He chose to put them on edge.
He convinced the mob not to stone the adulterer [John 8], and you’ll notice that He then turned to her and told her to stop sinning. Indeed, never once did He encounter sin and corruption and say: “Hey, do your thang, homies. Just have fun. YOLO!”
The followers of Nice Jesus love to quote the ‘throw the first stone’ verse — and for good reason, it’s a beautiful and compelling story — but you rarely hear mention of the exchange that occurs just a few sentences later, in that very same chapter. In John 8:44, Jesus rebukes unbelieving Jews and calls them ‘sons of the Devil.’
Wow.
That wasn’t nice, Jesus.
Didn’t anyone ever tell you that you can catch more flies with honey, Jesus?
Of course, you’d catch even more flies with a mound of garbage, so maybe ‘catching flies’ isn’t the point.
While we’re often reminded that Jesus said, ‘live by the sword, die by the sword,’ we seem to ignore his other sword references. Like when he told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword [Luke 22], or when He said that He ‘didn’t come to bring peace, but a sword’ [Matthew 10].
Now, It’s true that He is God and we are not. Jesus can say whatever He wants to say. But we are called to be like Christ, which begs the question: what is Christ like?
Well, He is, among other things, uncompromising. He is intolerant of evil. He is disruptive. He is sometimes harsh. He is sometimes impolite. He is sometimes angry.
He is always loving.
Christ was not and is not a cosmic guidance counselor, and He is not mankind’s best friend, nor did He call us to be. He made dogs for that role — our destiny is more substantial, and our path to it is far more challenging and dangerous.
And nice?
Where does nice factor into this?
Nice: affable, peachy, swell.
Nice has nothing to do with Christianity. I’ve got nothing against nice — nice is nice — but even serial killers can be nice to people. They generally are exceptionally affable, except when they’re murdering. That means they’re nice to, like, 97 or 98 percent of everyone they meet.
I guess they’re following Christ almost all of the time, right?
And tolerance?
Tolerance is easy. Any coward can learn to tolerate something. Tolerance is inaction; intolerance is action. We are called to refuse to tolerate evil. We are called to get angry at it and actively work to destroy it.
Who’d have guess it — anger is far more godly than tolerance ever could be.
Obviously I’m not suggesting that anger is automatically, or even usually, justified. Christ exhibited righteous anger; righteous anger is the sort of anger that naturally fills our soul when we confront the depths of depravity and sin. It is wrong to seethe with rage because someone cut us off in traffic or gossips about us behind our back, but it is also wrong to feel no anger when babies are murdered and the institution of the family is undermined and attacked.
Anger is good when it is directed at things that offend not us, but God. Just as Christ’s intolerance, like the intolerance we’re commanded to have, stems from a desire to save souls and defend Truth.
Even when we have righteous anger, we do not have carte blanche to act on it in anyway we please. But, according to the Bible, there are times to use strong language, there are times to cause a scene, there are times to hurt people’s feelings, and there are times when we might need to use physical force.
Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when we are personally attacked; He never told us to turn our backs entirely and let lies spread and evil grow.
So, enough with the niceties.
Christians in this country sound too similar to the the Golden Girls song, and not enough like the Battle Hymn of the Republic. There’s too much ‘thank you for being a friend,’ and not enough ‘lightening from His terrible swift sword.’
We’re all hugging and singing Kumbaya, when we should be marching and shouting Hallelujah.
We’re nice Christians with our nice Jesus, and we are trampled on without protest.
Enough, already.
I think it’s time that Christianity regain its fighting spirit; the spirit of Christ.
I think it’s time we ask that question: ‘What would Jesus do?’
And I think it’s time we answer it truthfully: Jesus would flip tables and yell.
Maybe we ought to follow suit.
Jesus told his followers to fight evil and stand against wickedness wherever we see it. If you have a problem with that, it's only because you're evil and wicked. Fuckin scumbag pedophile.
Gott mit uns.
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Jews don't proselytize in public. They do it in the halls of Congress.
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The idea is tempting. But no. The cool thing about atheism is that it doesn't need missionaries. We make converts just by letting the truth be the truth. So I'm all about "live and let live," unless some fools try to convert me or evangelize on the public dime, at which point, they're fair game for counter-argument.
Religions just don't die easily. Historically, they only go extinct if some government-based program exterminates it (as Christian Rome did with Mithraism, or China is currently doing to the Uyghurs), or they slaughter themselves somehow (as in Jonestown, or the Heaven's Gate cult). I think most religions will persist until technology finally forces them into obsolescence. The coming Singularity (and yes, I buy into that idea) will likely be the final answer to faith-based mental viruses.
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I think Kurzweil is as much a religious fanatic as anyone. The Singularity even has its own redemption and life after death scenario.
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I remember being 15 and enlightened too.
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I couldn’t make it past “the cool thing about atheism” without my eyes rolling into the back of my head. I’m not a religious person but there’s nothing “cool” or fun about this. Personally I would rather people keep their religious beliefs to themselves unless asked. To me a condescending atheist making sure everyone knows they’re an atheist is just as annoying as a Jesus freak making sure everyone knows they’re a Christian.
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This is probably the most cringe, pathetic faggotry you've said yet. Disgusting balding mid-wit pedophile.
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Trigger warning for the b-word next time buddy. We have a few brothermen that are a little sensitive to the topic.
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Sounds like a "you" problem, baldster.
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You didn’t make it to “faith-based mental viruses”? That’s some real major cringe. Especially coming from a middle aged man who think being atheist is cool and edgy because he’s “sticking it” to those silly believers. I’ve never met an atheist that wasn’t a condescending dork which describes Hildy, he even wears the fedora for extra douche chills!
I’m glad Bam was able to show us that the “Free Thinkers Club” isn’t a group of intelligent people getting together to discuss different thoughts and opinions about various things and exchange ideas with each other - it’s just a bunch of smug condescending fart sniffers echo chamber sitting around telling themselves how smart they are because they don’t believe in religion and people that do are SO STUPID! Talk about an insecure “group” of people.
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