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I Wanna See the Courthouse Movie! - Part 3

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I think he can use the Josiah tapes - Josiah's mistaken identity doesn't change what Pat said - but he can also use the Strictly Oinking audio where Fatrick talks about it.
Josiah got Patrick's express permission to record on multiple occasions, there are also no issues of mistaken identity, as there are plenty of journalists whose pen name is different than their legal name. There's no such thing as a "fake journalist". This isn't the UK. Anyone can engage in journalist. You don't need a loisence.
 
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I'm still behind in the thread but what's the reason why Fat's team is so against a declaration? Is it because it can be used against them at a later date? Is it because he doesn't want people on Twitter proving him wrong? Any ideas? Sorry I'm stupid.
They probably want their members to at least know that they "put up a fight" when their member's info was requested, also they are still under the delusion that not everybody knows that they just flushed $100,000 down the toilet by giving it to a brand new member (who is a straight white male) for free even though the official policy is that members must pay those back.
 

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They probably want their members to at least know that they "put up a fight" when their member's info was requested, also they are still under the delusion that not everybody knows that they just flushed $100,000 down the toilet by giving it to a brand new member (who is a straight white male) for free even though the official policy is that members must pay those back.
I still don't buy they gave away $100k with no strings attached. It would be colossally dumb even for them. Why would they not follow their established protocol of giving it as a loan?
 

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I'm still behind in the thread but what's the reason why the SWFA is so against a declaration? Is it because it can be used against them at a later date? Are they just trying to muddy the waters?
Here's my guess.

I still don't buy they gave away $100k with no strings attached. It would be colossally dumb even for them. Why would they not follow their established protocol of giving it as a loan?
They've got two protocols (both of which Jerry's included in his filing), one for loaning money, and one for just giving it away ("a grant").

Plus, there's a chance they just made some shit up on the spot and did that instead; or waived Pat's repayments after declaring it a loan.

We'll know once the subpoena rolls through.
 

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They probably want their members to at least know that they "put up a fight" when their member's info was requested, also they are still under the delusion that not everybody knows that they just flushed $100,000 down the toilet by giving it to a brand new member (who is a straight white male) for free even though the official policy is that members must pay those back.
They do not want undeniable proof that they had any meaningful connection with this lawsuit or that they funded a suit that had no chance at succeeding because A) it was challenging the first amendment and B) proving defamation is effectively impossible.

It was an astonishing display of leadership incompetence and has exposed a complete lack of governance and oversight. They exposed to organization to a huge risk that was 100% avoidable because they refused to distance themselves from a literal pants shitting retard.
 

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At this point they might as well offer to pay all of Pat's debt just to make it go away. What's another $50k down the tubes to them? It's not like their retard due-paying members even notice.
Probably something to do with taxes - they don’t want to flag anything to the IRS because once you’re on their radar, they’re not leaving until they find something.
 

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They do not want undeniable proof that they had any meaningful connection with this lawsuit or that they funded a suit that had no chance at succeeding because A) it was challenging the first amendment and B) proving defamation is effectively impossible.
While I'm not disputing your points, I think C) "it had nothing to do with the charity's mission and was an inappropriate use of charity funds", is the big sticking point.

If Pat had won the lolsuit it wouldn't have benefitted any other member; and the fact that he lost hasn't harmed any, either. It's the same result as if they'd bought him a new bike or a holiday; it's got nothing to do with their stated charitable purposes.

I'm struggling to see how it wouldn't be considered fraud; and I cannot think of a reason why the members should have spent their hard-earned cash on it.
 

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While I'm not disputing your points, I think C) "it had nothing to do with the charity's mission and was an inappropriate use of charity funds", is the big sticking point.

If Pat had won the lolsuit it wouldn't have benefitted any other member; and the fact that he lost hasn't harmed any, either. It's the same result as if they'd bought him a new bike or a holiday; it's got nothing to do with their stated charitable purposes.

I'm struggling to see how it wouldn't be considered fraud; and I cannot think of a reason why the members should have spent their hard-earned cash on it.
I 100% agree with everything except I would absolutely argue that they did “harm” other members.

We’re not talking about $1,000 for a bicycle and helmet combo so Pat can save on gas - We’re talking about a disastrous lawsuit that broke into 6 figures a long time ago. Aren’t they still battling it out with Disney too? Imagine hearing they deployed $100K+ on another lawsuit as they continue their fight with a Fortune 10 company.

I don’t know how Fraud is defined in a legal sense, but Mary Forehead 100% ripped off the members to serve her own interests - helping a fat blabbermouth who sells 25 awful books a quarter.
 

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While I'm not disputing your points, I think C) "it had nothing to do with the charity's mission and was an inappropriate use of charity funds", is the big sticking point.

If Pat had won the lolsuit it wouldn't have benefitted any other member; and the fact that he lost hasn't harmed any, either. It's the same result as if they'd bought him a new bike or a holiday; it's got nothing to do with their stated charitable purposes.

I'm struggling to see how it wouldn't be considered fraud; and I cannot think of a reason why the members should have spent their hard-earned cash on it.
Their rationale was probably that they believed Pat's lawyer was going to get all 60 Does' names, win each suit against them, and defeat the trolls bothering their members once and for all. Remember, Mary-Robinette made a huge stink about those Goodreads reviews. It became personal for them.
 

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Their rationale was probably that they believed Pat's lawyer was going to get all 60 Does' names, win each suit against them, and defeat the trolls bothering their members once and for all. Remember, Mary-Robinette made a huge stink about those Goodreads reviews. It became personal for them.
The fact that they thought they were going after 60 people with the possibility of them being in all 50 states is just insane to me. That could potentially cost around a million when all wad said and done if they were able to get everyone's name and then file an additional suit in each state.
 

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The fact that they thought they were going after 60 people with the possibility of them being in all 50 states is just insane to me. That could potentially cost around a million when all wad said and done if they were able to get everyone's name and then file an additional suit in each state.
I'm pretty sure Pat wanted $50K in damages from each of us. As he won each case, he'd aquire enough funding to pursue each following Doe. 1.2 logic.
 
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Their rationale was probably that they believed Pat's lawyer was going to get all 60 Does' names, win each suit against them, and defeat the trolls bothering their members once and for all. Remember, Mary-Robinette made [URL='https://archive.ph/iBLjM']a huge stink about those Goodreads reviews[/URL]. It became personal for them.
I know America's litigious and everything but the idea that you can sue a private person for saying a public figure is fat and his books are shit and win is retard level stuff. I wonder how many of these other SFWA people are 1.7s? (1.2 minus PE credits)
 
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