I Wanna See the Courthouse Movie! - Part 3

[NoBacon]

It was an amount exceeding 50k per person, they probably thought it would be far more. They’re delusional mutants who think they’re successful authors because they sold 1000 books in 10 years.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

Their rationale was probably that they believed Pat's lawyer was going to get all 60 Does' names, win each suit against them, and defeat the trolls bothering their members once and for all. Remember, Mary-Robinette made a huge stink about those Goodreads reviews. It became personal for them.

I highly doubt Resto assured them he’d get even Quasi’s name, let alone all 60 names. Every lawyer I know is very cautious with what they say to their clients. The play was always to scare Quasi into yielding, which works probably 90% of the time.

Brinton was completely unprepared when Quasi fought back and took it to Cali, hence the gamesmanship comment. He basically was saying “my shit rarely gets this far so I’m figuring it out the best I can. I’m not even licensed in CA.”

I think Brinton’s a relatively smart guy - he probably recommended to drop it and Patrick refused because he’s a douchebag.

Even if he did say he’d unmask people, you’d have to be a 1.7 (1.2 adjusted) GPA to believe him. Maybe someone should try to get Mary Forehead’s HS transcripts?

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

And that doesn't even include the fact that most defamation lawsuits fail or that many states have Anti-SLAP laws against this kind of shit

I asked one of my lawyer friends why they didn’t consider going into defamation defense since it’s basically impossible to lose - he said the cases get dismissed way too early in the process to ever make any money.

Unless you’re representing Hulk Hogan, it’s not worth your time.

 

[Cuphead]

I highly doubt Resto assured them he’d get even Quasi’s name, let alone all 60 names. Every lawyer I know is very cautious with what they say to their clients. The play was always to scare Quasi into yielding, which works probably 90% of the time.

Brinton was completely unprepared when Quasi fought back and took it to Cali, hence the gamesmanship comment. He basically was saying “my shit rarely gets this far so I’m figuring it out the best I can. I’m not even licensed in CA.”

I think Brinton’s a relatively smart guy - he probably recommended to drop it and Patrick refused because he’s a douchebag.

Even if he did say he’d unmask people, you’d have to be a 1.7 (1.2 adjusted) GPA to believe him. Maybe someone should try to get Mary Forehead’s HS transcripts?

Patrick even said in Tape #2 I believe that from the beginning before they even filed that Brinton said it was going to be a very difficult case to win, yet still worked with him for the money. That was probably his way of saying that he shouldn't try to sue people on the internet. It's very likely that Brinton wasn't the first lawyer who told him this too as the others probably refused to take the case.

 

[Cuphead]

I asked one of my lawyer friends why they didn’t consider going into defamation defense since it’s basically impossible to lose - he said the cases get dismissed way too early in the process to ever make any money.

Unless you’re representing Hulk Hogan, it’s not worth your time.

The thing is with defamation cases you have to prove how the statements somehow cost you money or losses which is very hard to prove. Even if Patrick was able to get someones identity he'd still have to prove how that said person cost him money.

 

[Harry Powell]

Found it - today’s hearing:

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[Udders]

Found it - today’s hearing:

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Copied from the KF thread:

Tomorrow's hearing re: SFWA motion to quash subpoena can apparently be attended by the public via Zoom videoconferencing ;)

• May 19th at 9:00 AM PT / 12:00 ET / 16:00 UTC (there are 8 other cases scheduled for that time, be patient)
• Meeting ID: 160 409 7690
• Passcode: 516287
• or entering this Zoom link

Whatever you do, do not record it with OBS to make a mockery of Patrick S. Tomlinson.

It shows up on the calendar under Dept 302 but the filings say 301 so I'll leave the 301 details as well just in case:

• Meeting ID: 161 316 9142 / Passcode: 350809 / or this link

 

[guest]

The thing is with defamation cases you have to prove how the statements somehow cost you money or losses which is very hard to prove. Even if Patrick was able to get someones identity he'd still have to prove how that said person cost him money.

Is there any expert witness who can testify about the naturally low booksales potential of authors with his GPA?

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

I know America's litigious and everything but the idea that you can sue a private person for saying a public figure is fat and his books are shit and win is retard level stuff. I wonder how many of these other SFWA people are 1.7s? (1.2 minus PE credits)

Yes, America is litigious and yes, you can sue people for being mean to you but it seems pretty rare.

My guess is the majority of civil cases are divorces, custody battles, contractual disputes, personal injury, etc. Basically anything you can prove damages for.

Patrick filed a case that is A) hard to prove damages for and B) challenges the fucking First Amendment - something so important that the Founding Fathers decided to list it first on the Constitution. Good luck with that, Pat.

You’d only sue a bunch of anonymous internet trolls for defamation if you graduated high school with a 1.7 (1.2 adjusted) GPA.

 

[FurBurger]

I 100% agree with everything except I would absolutely argue that they did “harm” other members.

"Harmed" by spending their member's money, yes. If they'd spent $0 and Pat still lost the case, that doesn't harm their members.

Their rationale was probably that they believed Pat's lawyer was going to get all 60 Does' names, win each suit against them, and defeat the trolls bothering their members once and for all. Remember, Mary-Robinette made a huge stink about those Goodreads reviews. It became personal for them.

...but they'd fixed that Goodreads problem without spending a nickel; and I think most people who aren't a bit Pat-in-the-head know not to feed the trolls.

Besides, early on they successfully got Null from Kiwifarm's details via subpoena (even though they are publicly available) and that win didn't benefit their members at all; there are still (somehow) mean people on the internet. Once Quasi handed over the logs showing that this place doesn't store shit, and anything it does store is just Cloudflare proxy IPs and rape allegations against Pat's lawyer, the SFWA should have bailed out of the case and saved their money. Pat had to break legal privilege to get SFWA's money and hand over all of his records about the case; their Super Lawyer should have bailed out at that point rather than hanging in and outspending Quasi by 3x (5x?) for nothing more than they got out of Null.

....holy shit, SFWA's lawyer just billed $6k worth of research reading about the case; that means the SWFA staff didn't tell him about it, breaching their guidelines on legal aid.

That's bad; if they've handed out $100k without that basic mandatory check in place it's likely they've broken more rules and given it as a no-strings-attached gift.

It makes me wonder how many other times its happened.

 

[Cuphead]

Is there any expert witness who can testify about the naturally low booksales potential of authors with his GPA?

Isn't there a tweet out there where he says that the trolls have increased his book sales and I believe some people tweeted they bought his book after he did the whole thread after he lost the suit? That alone destroys his entire case with costing him book sales.

 

[JoeCumiawearsDIAPERS]

"Harmed" by spending their member's money, yes. If they'd spent $0 and Pat still lost the case, that doesn't harm their members.


...but they'd fixed that Goodreads problem without spending a nickel; and I think most people who aren't a bit Pat-in-the-head know not to feed the trolls.

Besides, early on they successfully got Null from Kiwifarm's details via subpoena (even though they are publicly available) and that win didn't benefit their members at all; there are still (somehow) mean people on the internet. Once Quasi handed over the logs showing that this place doesn't store shit, and anything it does store is just Cloudflare proxy IPs (and rape allegations against Pat's lawyer), the SFWA should have bailed out of the case and saved their money. Pat had to break legal privilege to get SFWA's money and hand over all of his records about the case; their Super Lawyer should have bailed out at that point rather than hanging in and outspending Quasi by 3x (5x?) for nothing more than they got out of Null.

....holy shit, SFWA's lawyer just billed $6k worth of research reading about the case; that means the SWFA staff didn't tell him about it, breaching their guidelines on legal aid.

That's bad; if they've handed out $100k without that basic mandatory check in place it's likely they've broken more rules and given it as a no-strings-attached gift.

That's bad; and it makes me wonder how many other times its happened.

It’s almost like Mary Forehead approved it and never thought about it again.

 

[guest]

Isn't there a tweet out there where he says that the trolls have increased his book sales and I believe some people tweeted they bought his book after he did the whole thread after he lost the suit? That alone destroys his entire case with costing him book sales.

these are pre norm/11 but the record stands, rick is a dumb motherfucker
cc: jerry jen

dumb motherfucker

 

[guest]

Yeah it was 50k each out of 60 does, totalling $3,000,000

It's really insane to think the lawyer even let him do this

Wasnt it like 50k for 3 allegations (defamation etc) and whatever judge finds reasonable for shit like piracy? So like 10mil total.

 

[RobertMewler]

Isn't there a tweet out there where he says that the trolls have increased his book sales and I believe some people tweeted they bought his book after he did the whole thread after he lost the suit? That alone destroys his entire case with costing him book sales.

I think I know which one you're talking about but I can't find it at the moment. There are these in the meantime off his reddit account:

This was from 2020 I think:

 

[guest]

Weird that he’s so concerned with ridding goodreads and Amazon of these “fake” one star reviews that are helping him

 

[guest]

They probably want their members to at least know that they "put up a fight" when their member's info was requested, also they are still under the delusion that not everybody knows that they just flushed $100,000 down the toilet by giving it to a brand new member (who is a straight white male) for free even though the official policy is that members must pay those back.

‘Straight’ Nice assuming one’s orientation, little one.

 

[guest]

I think I know which one you're talking about but I can't find it at the moment. There are these in the meantime off his reddit account:

This was from 2020 I think:

His faggotry is hypnotic

Yes, it’s like a lava lamp.

 

[guest]

I'm pretty sure Pat wanted $50K in damages from each of us. As he won each case, he'd aquire enough funding to pursue each following Doe. 1.2 logic.

Apparently pants shitting retards can not enter contracts

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[PeteRose]

His faggotry is hypnotic

Yes, it’s like a lava lamp.

from "he hopes we dont stop, we work for him now" to "i just want my life back"