Why do non religious homosexuals like Patrick get married and make it such a pillar of their personality?

[Riccardo Bosi]

One of the things that really shocked me in my religious revelation was how all of this fedora muh smarty pants atheist stuff isn’t new and has been a plight for centuries. None of their arguments make any sense but are perpetuating because of Satan and they are deceived into thinking they are being logical and enlightened. None of them understand a shred of the science they claim to idolise.

Not to go and blame the English for everything wrong with the modern West, but their philosophy and metaphysics has always been bad and antithetical to truth. Scientism. Atheism. Charles Darwin, Charles Galton Darwin, Bertrand Russell, HG Wells... their philosophy and Social Darwinism is just science fiction.

"The elite are the elite because they're just superior because some cousin fucker said so because he knows everything about evolution. And if you disagree with our science, then you're stupid and poor and if you were in our shoes, you'd be behaving just as horribly. Except I don't think what we're doing is bad, because good and bad is relative." These thoughts have been promoted by the richest for hundreds of years.

 

[Fat Lispy Faggot]

Not to go and blame the English for everything wrong with the modern West, but their philosophy and metaphysics has always been bad and antithetical to truth. Scientism. Atheism. Charles Darwin, Charles Galton Darwin, Bertrand Russell, HG Wells... their philosophy and Social Darwinism is just science fiction.

"The elite are the elite because they're just superior because some cousin fucker said so because he knows everything about evolution. And if you disagree with our science, then you're stupid and poor and if you were in our shoes, you'd be behaving just as horribly. Except I don't think what we're doing is bad, because good and bad is relative." These thoughts have been promoted by the richest for hundreds of years.

The Western mentality was/is a major catalyst for the downfall of the Roman Catholics and their offspring protestants as well as civilization in general. Unprecedented levels of technological growth coupled with moral relativism has been disastrous for humanity

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

The Western mentality was/is a major catalyst for the downfall of the Roman Catholics and their offspring protestants as well as civilization in general. Unprecedented levels of technological growth coupled with moral relativism has been disastrous for humanity

The Protestant Reformation itself was disastrous. No need to go into it too much, but it essentially split one half of a country versus the other. It's not necessarily bad to have multiple religions in a nation, but to think that's better than having 99% agree with one another on what their culture is and should be is retarded. This goes especially for a nation that was more or less founded on the principles of that particular religion.

 

[NoBacon]

The concept of marriage was an ancient peacekeeping amendment added to society to effectively socialise the availability of women. Prior to this the rulers of a society would keep a large harem of women and use the shortfall to encourage young males to conquer foreign lands under their banners to take their women. Forcing every man to take just one woman for himself (although egregiously flaunted by the rich) acted as a damper against petty regional squabbles. Certainly branches of the Abrahamic root faiths schismed to renounce this act and have been pretty much been going buck wild raping and conquering lands ever since with the prospect of taking foreign wives and a few dozen virgins upon meeting death as a big part of their sales schtick.

The really cool thing about reading secular history books is that the good guys win every single war and every single belief they held is true and every other is barbaric and evil. How lucky are we! What are the odds!

 

[Slackjawed Cow]

It was all about the tax breaks.

 

[Suetonius]

I don’t understand it unless you’re religious. I’m all for gay marriage though. Who gives a shit.

I used to think like Stanhope too until you realize theres retarded benefits in being married that things like civil unions don’t give you.

If you have property together and break up, not having a marriage makes it so the splitting of assets doesn’t go through the regular marriage courts.
If your loved one is in the hospital you don’t have the right to visit them as “family” if you’re not married.
If that loved one died in the hospital the estate wouldn’t be turned over to a “partner” but the “spouse”. No marriage certificate no rights.
Then of course all the tax benefits from being married.

The fact is is that we live in 2023. (Insert current year meme here). Marriage is not religious anymore as much as it is a social contract. Keyword: CONTRACT. It’s about business. Every example I listed as to why gay people should get married has nothing to do with love or god or sanctity bullshit. It has to do with access to certain benefits, usually monetary, that you wouldn’t get if otherwise not married.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

I used to think like Stanhope too until you realize theres retarded benefits in being married that things like civil unions don’t give you.

If you have property together and break up, not having a marriage makes it so the splitting of assets doesn’t go through the regular marriage courts.
If your loved one is in the hospital you don’t have the right to visit them as “family” if you’re not married.
If that loved one died in the hospital the estate wouldn’t be turned over to a “partner” but the “spouse”. No marriage certificate no rights.
Then of course all the tax benefits from being married.

The fact is is that we live in 2023. (Insert current year meme here). Marriage is not religious anymore as much as it is a social contract. Keyword: CONTRACT. It’s about business. Every example I listed as to why gay people should get married has nothing to do with love or god or sanctity bullshit. It has to do with access to certain benefits, usually monetary, that you wouldn’t get if otherwise not married.

I feel bad for your boyfriend.

Heh heh, hear what I said Tone?

 

[Handsome_Pat]

Everything about Pat is a contradiction. He used to position himself as a good republican who hates what the party has become, but he holds no conservative beliefs. He says he is an author, but he writes like 1 book every 3 years. He says he is a comedian, but he isn’t funny.

The cognitive dissonance this guy experiences on a daily basis must be so exhausting. I’m surprised he has the energy to keep up the charade. Deep down I hope he knows he is still living a lie. Otherwise it means he believes his own delusions.

As far as getting married… it awesome if your wife is a genuine catch. Get married, raise some kids and live for someone other than yourself. Also you can file jointly come tax season and have a bigger standard deduction if you don’t itemize. But I wouldn’t recommend doing that until you get all the strange out of your system.

 

[Slackjawed Cow]

Everything about Pat is a contradiction. He used to position himself as a good republican who hates what the party has become, but he holds no conservative beliefs. He says he is an author, but he writes like 1 book every 3 years. He says he is a comedian, but he isn’t funny.

The cognitive dissonance this guy experiences on a daily basis must be so exhausting. I’m surprised he has the energy to keep up the charade. Deep down I hope he knows he is still living a lie. Otherwise it means he believes his own delusions.

As far as getting married… it awesome if your wife is a genuine catch. Get married, raise some kids and live for someone other than yourself. Also you can file jointly come tax season and have a bigger standard deduction if you don’t itemize. But I wouldn’t recommend doing that until you get all the strange out of your system.

 

[NoBacon]

It was all about the tax breaks.

Civil partnership then. Why insist on doing a religious ceremony you don’t believe in?

 

[NoBacon]

I used to think like Stanhope too until you realize theres retarded benefits in being married that things like civil unions don’t give you.

If you have property together and break up, not having a marriage makes it so the splitting of assets doesn’t go through the regular marriage courts.
If your loved one is in the hospital you don’t have the right to visit them as “family” if you’re not married.
If that loved one died in the hospital the estate wouldn’t be turned over to a “partner” but the “spouse”. No marriage certificate no rights.
Then of course all the tax benefits from being married.

The fact is is that we live in 2023. (Insert current year meme here). Marriage is not religious anymore as much as it is a social contract. Keyword: CONTRACT. It’s about business. Every example I listed as to why gay people should get married has nothing to do with love or god or sanctity bullshit. It has to do with access to certain benefits, usually monetary, that you wouldn’t get if otherwise not married.

You’re making my point for me, why call it marriage and do all the religious parts you like and ignore all the ones you don’t? Call it something else and make it the secular muh logical reason tax reasons arrangement for paperwork that it is and stop being a faggot picking and choosing what you want from traditions while ridiculing the rest.

 

[Prince Bvstin]

The really cool thing about reading secular history books is that the good guys win every single war and every single belief they held is true and every other is barbaric and evil. How lucky are we! What are the odds!

The west is currently unraveling under the weight of it's hypocrisy. Truth or no truth, the devil keeps a meticulous tab on his dues. You sound a bit out of it though? Everything okay or just having a weekend on the sauce?

 

[Salted Earth Truffle]

Marriage as we know it, as we admire it (or, as we should, it’s bastardised and demonised now) is a distinctly Christian tradition.

My favorite thing about fruit loops who sperg about Jews nonstop is they don’t seem to realize their religion started as a sect of Judaism. You really think Christians invented marriage?

 

[NoBacon]

The west is currently unraveling under the weight of it's hypocrisy. Truth or no truth, the devil keeps a meticulous tab on his dues. You sound a bit out of it though? Everything okay or just having a weekend on the sauce?

No stlaker, I don’t. No stlaker, I’m not.

 

[Fat Lispy Faggot]

My favorite thing about fruit loops who sperg about Jews nonstop is they don’t seem to realize their religion started as a sect of Judaism. You really think Christians invented marriage?

Judaism is a Christian heresy. It's a false conclusion to say that there was first judaism and then there was a divergence where jews continued believing the old ways whilst Christians believed the new. The Old Testament points to a Messiah. The text clearly points to that Messiah being Christ. Thus the religion which the texts belong to is the religion which contains Christ within it: Christianity. It is a continuation of what was already there, not something new.

With the destruction of the Second Temple, judaism was completely destroyed and has never been what it was. They developed rabbinic judaism, abandoned Temple judaism which is what the Scriptures prescribe, and produced the talmud which condemns Christ and advocates fucking children under 3 like islam does. Why would the synagogue of satan care so much about Christ if there wasn't a reason to? They had laws against blasphemy because people blasphemied. Therefore from their point of view, if Christ was a blasphemer and not the Son of God, He wasn't the first to have done so nor the first to be executed for it. So why care? Because even the devil believes in God. They believe He is the Messiah and refuse to bend the knee. They're Christian heretics.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

 

[DiarrheaDick]

>Why do non religious homosexuals like Patrick get married and make it such a pillar of their personality?

What else does he have?

 

[Salted Earth Truffle]

The Old Testament points to a Messiah. The text clearly points to that Messiah being Christ.

Look, I’m not in the habit of trying to dissuade people from their religious leanings, primarily because people are fundamentally averse to questioning what they’ve been raised to believe religiously. If you start to question any of it, then you have to question all of it. I know this from my own personal experience, not just theory. Believe what you want; you’re entitled to your own opinion.

Spoiler

No one is entitled to their own facts, though. And the fact is even Christ never claimed to be the messiah. Paul intentionally changed the role of the human (not Godly) messiah from a redeemer from exile to a savior from sin. I highly recommend The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity for a fascinating look at a man who was either a brazen liar or a complete fantasist.

What’s more, the Christian definition of the messiah is a radical departure from the explicit criteria put forth for identifying the messiah. God is one, not three; the messiah was never described as being anything but human in the primary texts.

There’s also the matter of Christ failing to meet the qualifications of the messiah, starting with the requirement that he be from the tribe of Judah and a direct descendant of King David (Jeremiah 33:17; I Chronicles 22:7-10). Membership in a tribe is passed on to sons only “from their fathers” (Numbers 1:2). Christ could not be from the tribe of Judah or a direct male descendant of King David without a physical father. Further, the last four verses of Ezekiel Chapter 37 are explicit that the messiah must rebuild the Temple, gather all Jews back to Israel, establish world peace, and usher in an era when the entire world will believe in one God. I’ll leave it to those with eyes and brains to decide if those criteria have been met.

Relying on translations from centuries of clergy who didn’t understand the source text is clearly problematic. This troubled me deeply as a kid seeking clarity on whether Christianity aligned with the religion on which it was based. I was chastised for even wanting to know whether the clergy in my childhood churches understood Hebrew. I very much hope your religious education was transmitted by clergy who can read Hebrew or Aramaic, and perhaps you have learned the primary texts for yourself. That would make you unique among Christians and I’d applaud you for your intellectual and spiritual integrity.

 

[Fat Lispy Faggot]

Look, I’m not in the habit of trying to dissuade people from their religious leanings, primarily because people are fundamentally averse to questioning what they’ve been raised to believe religiously. If you start to question any of it, then you have to question all of it. I know this from my own personal experience, not just theory. Believe what you want; you’re entitled to your own opinion.

Spoiler

No one is entitled to their own facts, though. And the fact is even Christ never claimed to be the messiah. Paul intentionally changed the role of the human (not Godly) messiah from a redeemer from exile to a savior from sin. I highly recommend The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity for a fascinating look at a man who was either a brazen liar or a complete fantasist.

What’s more, the Christian definition of the messiah is a radical departure from the explicit criteria put forth for identifying the messiah. God is one, not three; the messiah was never described as being anything but human in the primary texts.

There’s also the matter of Christ failing to meet the qualifications of the messiah, starting with the requirement that he be from the tribe of Judah and a direct descendant of King David (Jeremiah 33:17; I Chronicles 22:7-10). Membership in a tribe is passed on to sons only “from their fathers” (Numbers 1:2). Christ could not be from the tribe of Judah or a direct male descendant of King David without a physical father. Further, the last four verses of Ezekiel Chapter 37 are explicit that the messiah must rebuild the Temple, gather all Jews back to Israel, establish world peace, and usher in an era when the entire world will believe in one God. I’ll leave it to those with eyes and brains to decide if those criteria have been met.

Relying on translations from centuries of clergy who didn’t understand the source text is clearly problematic. This troubled me deeply as a kid seeking clarity on whether Christianity aligned with the religion on which it was based. I was chastised for even wanting to know whether the clergy in my childhood churches understood Hebrew. I very much hope your religious education was transmitted by clergy who can read Hebrew or Aramaic, and perhaps you have learned the primary texts for yourself. That would make you unique among Christians and I’d applaud you for your intellectual and spiritual integrity.

I wasn't raised in it and clicking your link I see it's a jew so I won't read it. I will only briefly respond because I doubt anyone espousing a kike as a source is arguing in good faith.

Spoiler

God is one, not three
The spirit was over the waters. Let US make man in OUR image. You can't even start Genesis without immediately hitting the Trinity.

Christ could not be from the tribe of Judah or a direct male descendant of King David without a physical father
Who made the sons of David? Could not the sons of Abraham be raised from a stone? Regardless God is the Father of all men and Mary must also be of the tribe of Judah because a woman cannot be married into a tribe she is not from. This is why Matthew gives the genealogy of Joseph, who is a descendant of David, despite him not being the biological father of Christ.

Ezekiel 37 prophecies the resurrection, the Cross, and the entrance of the Gentiles into the Covenant of the Lord. The Temple has been established at Pentecost, the jewish temple is destroyed. Israel are those who know God and prevail with Him, not the physical place but the people. The jews have been constantly unfaithful and as we see in Isaiah where there is a direct prophecy of His passion we see that the Servant is looking for those who will keep their faith and will recover them from the spiritual Babylon which is sin and passion as we see in Revelation 18.

I very much hope your religious education was transmitted by clergy who can read Hebrew or Aramaic, and perhaps you have learned the primary texts for yourself
I'm studying ancient Greek. The MT is a very recent text comparatively and the Septuagint has been held as reliable by the findings of the Qumran texts. But for a small selection of texts the MT and Septuagint largely agree, especially on points of doctrine. What I find interesting is that you don't mention anything about how the texts were developed over time, edited, transmitted, or how canons were developed. There is more to Old Testament textual criticism than just an understanding of language. Furthermore, the faith is living and the Old Testament is entirely capable of being illumined by later revelation such as we see in the New Testament. It sounds like you've grown up in a Protestant faith so it's not surprising you took issue with it when it was created 400-500 years ago, at the latest depending on denomination.

If you want we can talk in PM.

 

[Salted Earth Truffle]

I will only briefly respond because I doubt anyone espousing a kike as a source is arguing in good faith.

I mean, the entire Christian religion is based on what kikes said. This gets back to my original comment. But yeah feel free to PM if you want. I don’t think debating religion on the internet is very productive, but I’m happy to respond to your assertions if you’re interested in a good faith convo. (I was raised Catholic as it happens.)

 

[Fat Lispy Faggot]

I mean, the entire Christian religion is based on what kikes said. This gets back to my original comment. But yeah feel free to PM if you want. I don’t think debating religion on the internet is very productive, but I’m happy to respond to your assertions if you’re interested in a good faith convo. (I was raised Catholic as it happens.)

I'd disagree with it being from kikes. Old Testament faith is a historical continuation of modern Christianity. Modern judaism is an aberration that was founded at the destruction of the temple, these are the kikes. I happened to look up the author of your book, and whilst I don't listen to wikipedia either, it seems nobody supports his work as an academic venture apart from other rabbis.