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I can confirm this. I coasted through a bullshit PM job once and barely came in. I finally got fired when they laid off half the company.
This hits too close to home. The PM department at my company is just me and another guy managing an absurd amount of accounts. I have a Jew boss who expects premium level service for every customer and an old-school CEO who hires just enough college grads to do grunt work for the company to not go under, but no more. Whether or not I go the extra mile or slack off almost doesn’t matter because all it takes is for one 22-year old fuck up to not do his job for my whole day to be torpedoed and I’m pretty much helpless to stop it
The company I was with was in the red every quarter and decided that PMs should handle EVERYTHING in lieu of actually hiring staff (not that they could afford it). How it worked was that the faggot BD would forward me emails from potential clients and then it was my job to meet with them, determine the scope of the project, estimate it (including getting RFQs from subs etc), draft a contact and send it to the client, and then follow up with the client to ensure they signed. This was all before we even had the job awarded, all while jobs we actually got contracts on needed to be managed. I used to have to do code checks, deal with permitting offices, coordinate with PEs for required engineering drawings/stamps, perform status updates, and do all the other shit that PMs actually do. I told them over and over that the work load was past unrealistic and into laughable, but they didn't care. Somehow they were bleeding resources and decided the PM department was the one to suffer. Their answer was "that's how we do things. PMs handle presale AND actual project management... x75. Now get back to work."
Lol did they not have a sales or biz dev department? That’s ridiculous.
We had BDs but they didn't do anything. Clients would email my BD asking for a quote, and he would literally just forward the email to me and make commission off of it without doing anything. That's how management structured our process map. Sometimes I'd call the BD at like 10a if I had a question for him and I could tell I just woke him up. That's frustrating enough, but when you tell middle management about this and they look at you like "yeah, and? What's the problem?"
I worked as a consultant for my trade and it's pretty close. Management would be in over their head - usually a guy who worked in a very niche department and thought he could start his own business without having a clue about how the industry is structured as a whole - and contract me to do a full process mapping, equipment assessment, key role strategies, etc. Usually the employees that I'd advise cutting loose had become lazy from little oversight and there was just no walking them back from that edge - they'd already lost respect for the organization. Those guys have got to go - there's nothing else you can do for them. They'll bitch about refining the process, saying that's not how the company does things while, in the same breath, saying the company sucks. Sorry, but you gotta go then. Sometimes you can do that in stages starting with the loudest, most egregious faggots in the hopes that it'll be a come-to-Jesus moment for the rest, but sometimes you really need to clean house and start fresh.
Seconded. We must secure the existence of our on-topic posts and a future for our relevant shitposts.
Seriously. I was all excited that we got word the MPD told Pat to kick rocks and I have to read all this faggot talk.
Sounds like someone needs to re-read the forum’s mission statement. Recognize our core competencies, stupid.
What do you suppose would happen if you walked in tomorrow and gave them your two weeks notice?
Sorrys daddy… I make money sucking cock and rimming blacks so all this big boy talk goes right over my head and makes me feel like a silly sally.
They’d be up shit creek.