Mike Enoch is of lower stock

[Snake]

That buddy of Mike's, Sven, was married to real trailer trash.


Yep. I haven't followed any of this shit for a long time, but at least that weirdo Anglin took the "it's just a flu, bro" approach and called out the TRS guys for their glowie behaviour.

All of these guys are charlatans in the end... fucking Richard Spencer has ties to the Bush family.

People give E. Michael Jones shit for saying "a black person raised in Poland, who speaks Polish and is a Polish Catholic, is indeed Polish" and he's wrong about that. However, he's totally correct for asserting that "white" is not an identity, it's a category fostered by the system. You are what your genes and heritage tell you, not your circumstances. If you're white... well, what language does a white guy in America speak? English? Guess who else does: blacks, chinks, hispanics... it doesn't make sense. If you're white and have no basis for your heritage, you're lost.

You can't even say this alt-right shit was ever pro-European, because Albanians are European, and nobody likes them. The Ashkenazim are European. These people dwell in empirical data and evidence when all of our problems are abstract.

I think it's easier to make a distinction by labeling White as European, but that's slowly becoming a defunct brand and going back to White makes more sense. Southern Europe isn't White anymore. They've been colonized and mongrelized beyond repair. Although there is a quite a bit of inhabitants that look how they should look.

Say you had a nation that was only for Whites. Half of Europe wouldn't be allowed in and that's not due to the sand monkeys or nigger invaders, that's the natural inhabitants.

Oh and E. Michael Jones is a faggot christcuck.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

I think it's easier to make a distinction by labeling White as European, but that's slowly becoming a defunct brand and going back to White makes more sense. Southern Europe isn't White anymore. They've been colonized and mongrelized beyond repair. Although there is a quite a bit of inhabitants that look how they should look.

Say you had a nation that was only for Whites. Half of Europe wouldn't be allowed in and that's not due to the sand monkeys or nigger invaders, that's the natural inhabitants.

Oh and E. Michael Jones is a faggot christcuck.

But what is the point of being white or having white racial purity if the dividends don't offer you anything? On paper, you can call us failures in the evolutionary sense because while we may still be the top dog, we're still willing to give it all up for (((G-d knows what reason))). But why are we so powerful and yet so weak at the same time? How come a minority can fuck with us so bad? It doesn't make sense. And I've talked to you before and we agree on a lot of shit, I want a lot of the same outcomes, if not all of them. But we can't rest on our genes alone and be deterministic about it, we have to realize our failings and realize that we're our own worst enemy. Corneliu Codreanu was a great fascist who said "if I had one bullet left I'd spend it on a traitor rather than my enemy".

You can call Jones a Christcuck, I mean... he's not perfect, call him whatever. But the guy's very pro-German more than he even is pro-American and he promotes that everybody not be a degenerate. The biggest problem for whites is that they're degenerate and thus actively consent to corruption. Jones basically tells men to stop watching porn, go make a family and to make a living that doesn't benefit the oligarchs. That's not cucking just because he doesn't make it race-exclusive (although he's so enamored by German history especially, which I think is a hint).

 

[Snake]

But what is the point of being white or having white racial purity if the dividends don't offer you anything? On paper, you can call us failures in the evolutionary sense because while we may still be the top dog, we're still willing to give it all up for (((G-d knows what reason))). But why are we so powerful and yet so weak at the same time? How come a minority can fuck with us so bad? It doesn't make sense. And I've talked to you before and we agree on a lot of shit, I want a lot of the same outcomes, if not all of them. But we can't rest on our genes alone and be deterministic about it, we have to realize our failings and realize that we're our own worst enemy. Corneliu Codreanu was a great fascist who said "if I had one bullet left I'd spend it on a traitor rather than my enemy".

You can call Jones a Christcuck, I mean... he's not perfect, call him whatever. But the guy's very pro-German more than he even is pro-American and he promotes that everybody not be a degenerate. The biggest problem for whites is that they're degenerate and thus actively consent to corruption. Jones basically tells men to stop watching porn, go make a family and to make a living that doesn't benefit the oligarchs. That's not cucking just because he doesn't make it race-exclusive (although he's so enamored by German history especially, which I think is a hint).

We're weak since you have the last five or so generations broken down with a constant onslaught of propaganda and it's only accelerating, not to mention our lives have become way too comfortable with modernization.

White's biggest weakness is our empathy, and White women are the worst offenders. They'd rather bring in shitskin refugees and give them free gibs than the White guy living on the street all his life.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

We're weak since you have the last five or so generations broken down with a constant onslaught of propaganda and it's only accelerating, not to mention our lives have become way too comfortable with modernization.

I agree, but why don't we have the intuition to avoid this? I don't want white people who are aware of the situation to also suffer from Dunning Krueger and think we're smart enough to avoid it, coming to the conclusion that we will because, well, we have to because we're smart. If we're going to solve the dilemma, it's going to be through a thorough critique of ourselves, not by just identifying our enemies. Every other race on the planet hates us... and I agree they should, because we're the best overall.

We don't know why we're the best, though. But I'm fucking sure it's not just genetics or brains, because then the Japanese would have conquered everything.

White's biggest weakness is our empathy, and White women are the worst offenders. They'd rather bring in shitskin refugees and give them free gibs than the White guy living on the street all his life.

Again, I agree. BUT, white women are not offered the masculinity from real men that their ancestors were given. They didn't have to go outside the race.

Women are basically stupid, that's just a given.

When women say "straight white men, do better", that's not bullying, that's a plea. That's begging. It's all emotion, it's all genetic, there's no thought to it. What they're really saying is, "TELL ME TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND COOK YOU YOUR STEAK BECAUSE IT TURNS ME ON AND FEMINISM HAS BETRAYED ME". If that's not the truth, if they're really independent and don't need us... then why do they insist on talking about us? They love toxic masculinity more than we imagine, but we're not giving it to them. In a sense, it's our fault because we're too busy jacking off and playing video games or whatever. Again, it's all kind of our fault.

 

[Snake]

I agree, but why don't we have the intuition to avoid this? I don't want white people who are aware of the situation to also suffer from Dunning Krueger and think we're smart enough to avoid it, coming to the conclusion that we will because, well, we have to because we're smart. If we're going to solve the dilemma, it's going to be through a thorough critique of ourselves, not by just identifying our enemies. Every other race on the planet hates us... and I agree they should, because we're the best overall.

We don't know why we're the best, though. But I'm fucking sure it's not just genetics or brains, because then the Japanese would have conquered everything.


Again, I agree. BUT, white women are not offered the masculinity from real men that their ancestors were given. They didn't have to go outside the race.

Women are basically stupid, that's just a given.

When women say "straight white men, do better", that's not bullying, that's a plea. That's begging. It's all emotion, it's all genetic, there's no thought to it. What they're really saying is, "TELL ME TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND COOK YOU YOUR STEAK BECAUSE IT TURNS ME ON AND FEMINISM HAS BETRAYED ME". If that's not the truth, if they're really independent and don't need us... then why do they insist on talking about us? They love toxic masculinity more than we imagine, but we're not giving it to them. In a sense, it's our fault because we're too busy jacking off and playing video games or whatever. Again, it's all kind of our fault.

You can boil all this down to jew subversion. America was pro White until the end of WWII. Then the 50s and 60s come along and it's non stop protests and activism to put shitskins on a pedestal and invite the third world to replace us.

Whites became what they are from living in the north and preparing for harsh Winters while homo erectus niggers stayed south and to this day cannot create a surplus of anything.

The thing is, all this tyrannical Covid horseshit has awoke a lot of people to the JQ, not to mention the BLM riots. White faggots that never cared about other Whites and focused on his Funko Pops and cape shit now hates niggers and jews. Whites have only had a momemtary lapse of strength for the last few decades. It's something we could crawl out of overnight, but Whites need to have each other's backs and just tell the truth.

Niggers think we're the devil, when their own families sold them to sand niggers and arabs and pushed them off on us to bring here. Farrakhan is a faggot but he's fully away of the JQ and put out a book about it.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

You can boil all this down to jew subversion. America was pro White until the end of WWII. Then the 50s and 60s come along and it's non stop protests and activism to put shitskins on a pedestal and invite the third world to replace us.

Whites became what they are from living in the north and preparing for harsh Winters while homo erectus niggers stayed south and to this day cannot create a surplus of anything.

The thing is, all this tyrannical Covid horseshit has awoke a lot of people to the JQ, not to mention the BLM riots. White faggots that never cared about other Whites and focused on his Funko Pops and cape shit now hates niggers and jews. Whites have only had a momemtary lapse of strength for the last few decades. It's something we could crawl out of overnight, but Whites need to have each other's backs and just tell the truth.

I'll agree with you on this: we didn't make it this far just to destroy ourselves. We are a risk-taking people, we go to the edge, but it's brought us this far. We even flirt with self-destruction. We have only been suicidal en masse for less than 100 years.

I'll add this, also: due to the nature of our individualism (look how fragmented Europe looks geographically for example) we don't see ourselves as "brothers" or whatever until we're in a midst of other shitheads.

So, I agree, but we need to figure out what has really caused divisions within ourselves that weakened us in the first place. The Jew stuff is real, but we should have shaken them off like a flea to begin with.

Niggers think we're the devil, when their own families sold them to sand niggers and arabs and pushed them off on us to bring here. Farrakhan is a faggot but he's fully away of the JQ and put out a book about it.

Yep. Even Farrakhan, the most based black guy alive, is like "okay fuck whites or whatever, but Jews fucked us the hardest". By the way, The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, that book? The Nation of Islam came out with a sequel, a Part Two, to it. lol those guys are hilarious.

 

[Snake]

I'll agree with you on this: we didn't make it this far just to destroy ourselves. We are a risk-taking people, we go to the edge, but it's brought us this far. We even flirt with self-destruction. We have only been suicidal en masse for less than 100 years.

I'll add this, also: due to the nature of our individualism (look how fragmented Europe looks geographically for example) we don't see ourselves as "brothers" or whatever until we're in a midst of other shitheads.

So, I agree, but we need to figure out what has really caused divisions within ourselves that weakened us in the first place. The Jew stuff is real, but we should have shaken them off like a flea to begin with.


Yep. Even Farrakhan, the most based black guy alive, is like "okay fuck whites or whatever, but Jews fucked us the hardest". By the way, The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews, that book? The Nation of Islam came out with a sequel, a Part Two, to it. lol those guys are hilarious.

Yeah that's book.

I see Europe, Russia and Australia as kinsman, even though most of you are even bigger faggots than White America. But, we'll get there eventually since I feel all this Covid tyrannical shit is being tested on you guys first to see how you respond. This is why they disarmed you, so you never amount of a threat they cannot handle.

All this CRT, Anti White shit is playing to our favor in a lot of ways. Devon Stack said it a few times this year that we're going to have to go through Hell and lose a lot of us before anything changes. Covid is just a culling of Whites at it's core.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

I see Europe, Russia and Australia as kinsman, even though most of you are even bigger faggots than White America.

Like you said, we're disarmed and... I dunno man, it's not like there aren't real men here and there are plenty of girls who don't buy into feminism and all of that shit... you just can't compare it to the US because you guys have more than 10x the population.

Put it this way: you can't judge us based on what's happening in Melbourne or Sydney. My dad grew up in Sydney and said it was Anglo Heaven. It's the complete opposite. On the other hand, I know people who don't like Queensland because "it's too white for me!"

 

[Snake]

Like you said, we're disarmed and... I dunno man, it's not like there aren't real men here and there are plenty of girls who don't buy into feminism and all of that shit... you just can't compare it to the US because you guys have more than 10x the population.

Put it this way: you can't judge us based on what's happening in Melbourne or Sydney. My dad grew up in Sydney and said it was Anglo Heaven. It's the complete opposite. On the other hand, I know people who don't like Queensland because "it's too white for me!"

I know there's plenty of Aussies that hate non Whites, just like in Canada. It just needs to become a political movement as that becomes dangerous for the establishment. Being fragmented like this is going no where. It's not something we can vote out anymore as they just do mail in voting to nullify the outcome.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

I know there's plenty of Aussies that hate non Whites, just like in Canada. It just needs to become a political movement as that becomes dangerous for the establishment. Being fragmented like this is going no where. It's not something we can vote out anymore as they just do mail in voting to nullify the outcome.

Where we differ is this: I think ethnic groups - whatever you are or whatever anybody is - should fragment and assert themselves as a minority. You don't have to fragment and dissociate yourself from others totally or get too nitty-gritty with the details, but... I mean, the Jews did a pretty good job with this tactic, and it's only their crimes that people resent them for. Nobody had a problem with them standing up for themselves.

And it can't just be some right to exist shit either, because a lot of people are anti-human because of overpopulation and climate change or whatnot. There has to be some philosophical or theological basis for existence, not just "well, I'm white, so go whitey". People are waking up and seeing what's happening, but just advocating something because you're white hasn't exactly worked well. Richard Spencer and the others have been complete failures - maybe that was the point, maybe it's controlled.

 

[Snake]

Where we differ is this: I think ethnic groups - whatever you are or whatever anybody is - should fragment and assert themselves as a minority. You don't have to fragment and dissociate yourself from others totally or get too nitty-gritty with the details, but... I mean, the Jews did a pretty good job with this tactic, and it's only their crimes that people resent them for. Nobody had a problem with them standing up for themselves.

And it can't just be some right to exist shit either, because a lot of people are anti-human because of overpopulation and climate change or whatnot. There has to be some philosophical or theological basis for existence, not just "well, I'm white, so go whitey". People are waking up and seeing what's happening, but just advocating something because you're white hasn't exactly worked well. Richard Spencer and the others have been complete failures - maybe that was the point, maybe it's controlled.

This could be something in the future, but this is the wrong approach to the here and now. There's always been sub groups in the Paleo European tree (English, German, Polish etc) but making us into smaller groups isn't going to do anything. Skin color should be the concern right now and worry about that other shit later.

 

[analeggsalad]

damn you niggas really getting into it

regarding Mike, I casually listened to The Daily Shoah for a few years, on and off and never paypigged or got involved. Stopped listening during covid as p-reddy brought up. Their pro lockdown shit was just cringe. Still, Mike is very articulate and incisive on the Jewish isssue, IMO he's the best. He does the dirty grunt work of covering (like the Tulsa Race Riot narrative, which he correctly pointed out isn't about history but is a blood libel against whites) issues with narratives and focuses that the mainstream outlets actively suppress.

Heidi Beirich took him to court over his involvement in Charlottesville

Heidi Beirich

www.splcenter.org

Prominent white nationalist New Yorker has podcast with 100,000 fans after turning back on liberal roots

He could be one of the biggest bigots in the Big Apple. His white nationalist podcast attracts 100,000 regular listeners who tune in to his anti-Semitic and racist rants. And he was a headliner at …

www.nydailynews.com

Media Jew Andrew Marantz did a whole profile (hit job) on him for The Jew Yorker

Birth of a White Supremacist

Mike Enoch’s transformation from leftist contrarian to nationalist shock jock.

www.newyorker.com

I don't have insider info, but from where I'm standing using common sense, this is not a guy who is an asset of these people and he's not a glowie. He is under surveillance and is forced to cooperate on some level to ensure that he's not involved in any acts of violence, so there has to be some interaction between him and police/feds. He can't avoid it. It's something you deal with when you face-post this stuff, and it would happen to any one of us in this thread right now if we posted IRL stuff and became somewhat prominent and famous as he has

He is directly and effectively articulating the problem in a way very few are. Some who have good faith disagreements or trust issues but are with him in his core message, that I understand. But many people who attack and defame him are doing so because his message (access to white neighborhoods is not a human right, Jews will be made to pay for what they're doing and have done) annoys or offends them. It's the same with Trump, a pretty common phenomenon online I already posted about

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

This could be something in the future, but this is the wrong approach to the here and now. There's always been sub groups in the Paleo European tree (English, German, Polish etc) but making us into smaller groups isn't going to do anything. Skin color should be the concern right now and worry about that other shit later.

I know, but you can't convince people of that very well. "But I work with a nice black guy", "I have Asian friends" etc. I think it's better to appeal to people on a higher level, and then with time and patience they'll figure out the reality and nature will take its course. When people are hit with "well, the Jews do this and the blacks do that" and it sticks, they tend to freak out and become antisocial. They say things that the herd isn't used to, and they become ostracized. Maybe they weren't equipped with the ability to grasp certain concepts to begin with, even if they practice common sense.

I think a lot of Christians fail in evangelizing people not only because they don't really grasp what they're saying, but because what they're saying isn't relevant to whom they're saying it to. Yet, plainly, the New Testament and Revelations accurately depicts what the Jews are. The basis of European civilization was Greek, and Jesus was culturally a Greek, thus that's why the New Testament was written in Greek. There's no connection there, between the two?

Maybe the solution is, depending on who you're talking to, appeal to them one way if they seem "racist" or appeal to their reason if they're "thoughtful".

You mentioned "Christcuckery" earlier but the most anti-white anti-human people are without a doubt virulent atheists.

I'd also add in that Chris Langan has an IQ of 200 and claims that atheism is absurd, and that God exists and evil people will experience Hell one way or another.

 

[analeggsalad]

@P-Reddy I think the Trump phenomenon showed what Jews are aware of and fear the most - white collective self interest is just under the surface, always. Even in a secular era like today. Forget excessive online shitlord racist posting: Everyone saw how the crowds were white, how they got a little more loud when Trump started talking shit about mexicans or thugs. Debate it as you wish (I'm bored of the debate tbh), but Trump was a QED that Jim Crow 2.0 and broad white social willingness to concent to that is right around the corner

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

damn you niggas really getting into it

regarding Mike, I casually listened to The Daily Shoah for a few years, on and off and never paypigged or got involved. Stopped listening during covid as p-reddy brought up. Their pro lockdown shit was just cringe. Still, Mike is very articulate and incisive on the Jewish isssue, IMO he's the best. He does the dirty grunt work of covering (like the Tulsa Race Riot narrative, which he correctly pointed out isn't about history but is a blood libel against whites) issues with narratives and focuses that the mainstream outlets actively suppress.

Heidi Beirich took him to court over his involvement in Charlottesville

Heidi Beirich

www.splcenter.org

Prominent white nationalist New Yorker has podcast with 100,000 fans after turning back on liberal roots

He could be one of the biggest bigots in the Big Apple. His white nationalist podcast attracts 100,000 regular listeners who tune in to his anti-Semitic and racist rants. And he was a headliner at …

www.nydailynews.com

Media Jew Andrew Marantz did a whole profile (hit job) on him for The Jew Yorker

Birth of a White Supremacist

Mike Enoch’s transformation from leftist contrarian to nationalist shock jock.

www.newyorker.com

I don't have insider info, but from where I'm standing using common sense, this is not a guy who is an asset of these people and he's not a glowie. He is under surveillance and is forced to cooperate on some level to ensure that he's not involved in any acts of violence, so there has to be some interaction between him and police/feds. He can't avoid it. It's something you deal with when you face-post this stuff, and it would happen to any one of us in this thread right now if we posted IRL stuff and became somewhat prominent and famous as he has

He is directly and effectively articulating the problem in a way very few are. Some who have good faith disagreements or trust issues but are with him in his core message, that I understand. But many people who attack and defame him are doing so because his message (access to white neighborhoods is not a human right, Jews will be made to pay for what they're doing and have done) annoys or offends them. It's the same with Trump, a pretty common phenomenon online I already posted about

Until the pandemic I never thought anything Mike said was egregiously stupid or that he's wrong, but then again all of this blatant pro-white stuff has never actually worked out for whites either.

@P-Reddy I think the Trump phenomenon showed what Jews are aware of and fear the most - white collective self interest is just under the surface, always. Even in a secular era like today. Forget excessive online shitlord racist posting: Everyone saw how the crowds were white, how they got a little more loud when Trump started talking shit about mexicans or thugs. Debate it as you wish (I'm bored of the debate tbh), but Trump was a QED that Jim Crow 2.0 and broad white social willingness to concent to that is right around the corner

Whenever someone says something, there's a kernel of truth to it. The Jews always bitch that they're at the risk of being hated so much they'd be persecuted again... hey, sounds accurate to me. Everybody is their own worst enemy, you can't get around it.

 

[Snake]

I know, but you can't convince people of that very well. "But I work with a nice black guy", "I have Asian friends" etc. I think it's better to appeal to people on a higher level, and then with time and patience they'll figure out the reality and nature will take its course. When people are hit with "well, the Jews do this and the blacks do that" and it sticks, they tend to freak out and become antisocial. They say things that the herd isn't used to, and they become ostracized. Maybe they weren't equipped with the ability to grasp certain concepts to begin with, even if they practice common sense.

I think a lot of Christians fail in evangelizing people not only because they don't really grasp what they're saying, but because what they're saying isn't relevant to whom they're saying it to. Yet, plainly, the New Testament and Revelations accurately depicts what the Jews are. The basis of European civilization was Greek, and Jesus was culturally a Greek, thus that's why the New Testament was written in Greek. There's no connection there, between the two?

Maybe the solution is, depending on who you're talking to, appeal to them one way if they seem "racist" or appeal to their reason if they're "thoughtful".

You mentioned "Christcuckery" earlier but the most anti-white anti-human people are without a doubt virulent atheists.

I'd also add in that Chris Langan has an IQ of 200 and claims that atheism is absurd, and that God exists and evil people will experience Hell one way or another.

I'm not an Atheist at all so don't read too much into that. But there's too many that are weak and are Christian Zionists who want jew faggot prophecies furfilled with all the Gentile nations being wiped out. The Church is completely corrupted and complicit in much of what is happening in the west. The faggot spic Pope saying we shouldn't build walls, while he lives in a fortress as he finger blasts alter boys.

Christianity needs a reboot or it needs to go away. People with our mindset want Sharia Law... no, you can have the same thing control of women with Christianity without the incest, rapes and child brides.

 

[analeggsalad]

yeah I see your worry and arguments. Brushing off E Michael Jones as a christcuck is throwing the baby out with the bath water. I don't agree with those extreme takes. I see your and Tony's arguments and doubts and share most of them

I don't have an answer. I'm going to support and try to help gain power those who assert my group interests. It used to be "Republicans" but the demographics and the national argument have changed since then.

 

[Snake]

yeah I see your worry and arguments. Brushing off E Michael Jones as a christcuck is throwing the baby out with the bath water. I don't agree with those extreme takes. I see your and Tony's arguments and doubts and share most of them

I don't have an answer. I'm going to support and try to help gain power those who assert my group interests. It used to be "Republicans" but the demographics and the national argument have changed since then.

I feel like we're going to have a 21st century mass genocide to push people to our side and it'll be the jab, and unfortunately there may not be enough of us able bodied left to do anything about the situation.

Although the retarded camel fucking Taliban have showed you can refuse your shit pushed in by our tranny and faggot military for 20 years.

And my problem with Jones is he's not a race realist even in the slightest, but someone like Taylor doesn't talk about the JQ.

 

[Riccardo Bosi]

I'm not an Atheist at all so don't read too much into that. But there's too many that are weak and are Christian Zionists who want jew faggot prophecies furfilled with all the Gentile nations being wiped out. The Church is completely corrupted and complicit in much of what is happening in the west. The faggot spic Pope saying we shouldn't build walls, while he lives in a fortress as he finger blasts alter boys.

Christianity needs a reboot or it needs to go away. People with our mindset want Sharia Law... no, you can have the same thing control of women with Christianity without the incest, rapes and child brides.

I'm an Orthodoxy advocate. Zionism is pure evil. The Papacy and the Vatican can go to Hell, they're worse than the Jews. (I do not hate innocent Catholics, they're still far better than other Christians even if some of them are nuts)

Christianity doesn't need a reboot, it needs to go back to its original source. This has been the problem for at least a thousand years. Any Orthodox person worth anything will not say, "oh you can be this or that, it's up to you". No. We don't believe in moral relativism. White genocide, along with the ritualistic genocide of ethnic Russian Christians over the last century, is a crime against humanity.

Why were the ethnic Russian Christians persecuted the hardest, and who was the culprit?

 

[Snake]

I'm an Orthodoxy advocate. Zionism is pure evil. The Papacy and the Vatican can go to Hell, they're worse than the Jews. (I do not hate innocent Catholics, they're still far better than other Christians even if some of them are nuts)

Christianity doesn't need a reboot, it needs to go back to its original source. This has been the problem for at least a thousand years. Any Orthodox person worth anything will not say, "oh you can be this or that, it's up to you". No. We don't believe in moral relativism. White genocide, along with the ritualistic genocide of ethnic Russian Christians over the last century, is a crime against humanity.

Why were the ethnic Russian Christians persecuted the hardest, and who was the culprit?

Yeah I have no issue with Catholics. It's the true form the of the faith.

I was raised Episcopalian which is just diet Catholicism.

The religion needs to go back to heretic burnings. I'm not being hyperbolic, it's a deterrent to keep away from the globohomo shit. Hard to believe a millennium ago it completely controlled the planet more or less, and now we have the inversion (Zionism) in charge now.