Is Vivek actually awesome or is he a plant?

[Jenna]

This is the reason I asked you to understand the difference between those two words. You're not making sense to me. The actual person who is typing words exists, is the ontos of the human (presumably), person writing your words. The username+avatar that is your "user" the abstraction that exists writing on a forum does not. Those two entities are distinct because I'm not making a metaphysical distinction regarding your person. I'm making an epistemic one. We don't have access to the ontological entity writing your posts. You are anonymous.

This is why i keep saying you're making an error. There is overlap between what we know (epistemology) and what the essence of a thing is. But, in the real practical world, if the physics of the current state of the world preclude us from the ontos, then that entity doesn't exist.

Here is the error you are making colloquially know as "mistaking the map for the place"

Map–territory relation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You seem to want to re-write the law, and say death threats only matter if you know the physical location of the person you threaten.

Do you have any law that states that, or just lmao epistemology and wikipedia links to logical fallacies?

No, because it doesn't exist. You can't go on facebook, reddit, twitter etc telling random people "I'm gonna find you and shoot you to death" then think it's some magical loophole where they can't charge you if you don't know their address.

 

[cachorro]

You seem to want to re-write the law, and say death threats only matter if you know the physical location of the person you threaten.

Do you have any law that states that, or just lmao epistemology and wikipedia links to logical fallacies?

No, because it doesn't exist. You can't go on facebook, reddit, twitter etc telling random people "I'm gonna find you and shoot you to death" then think it's some magical loophole where they can't charge you if you don't know their address.

Did NoBacon say “I’m going to find you and shoot you to death”?

 

[Sue Lightning]

Or maybe I don't think anyone should be threatening to shoot other posters,

Alright everyone, by decree of Jenna no more euphemistic language. I’m so bored I could DIE. Please no one forward my info to the police, I don’t genuinely intend to end my life.

especially after the day of a school shooting.
Get the fuck out of here. Jesus christ, you are using dead children to justify why someone shouldn’t say something mean to you. How you can even pretend to be morally righteous is sickening. You don’t give a fuck if a school shooting happened or not. You’ve been tired of Nobacons antics for a while and this was a good chance to get rid of him.

“Death threats are okay if I like the poster" doesn't hold up anywhere else.

Because they’re not death threats. You have also now ascribed an ideology onto Admin that he somehow favors Nobacon or favors him over you. It couldn’t possibly be that the context is different, no obviously he’s playing favorites.

Again, it's on admin. You wanna openly break laws to pwn Jenna, don't be shocked when Cloudfare pulls protection and this place gets DDOS'd to hell.

Yes, this website will go away forever because Nobacon “threatened” you, a random poster who decided to sign up here, stuck around after you were threatened, and have shown no signs of feeling threatened. Cloudflare takes that very serious.

 

[Sue Lightning]

I can’t do this anymore, Admin is clearly more equipped to argue this and I don’t want to speak for him. It’s so exhausting.

 

[cachorro]

I can’t do this anymore, Admin is clearly more equipped to argue this and I don’t want to speak for him. It’s so exhausting.

I wish he’d just get his dad involved to settle this debate

 

[Hudson Margera-Hughes]

"Do you think this presidential candidate on the national stage who is being covered by Jew media outlets is legit?"

Touche, sir, touche.

 

[quasi101]

You seem to want to re-write the law, and say death threats only matter if you know the physical location of the person you threaten.

I'm only going to stick to one point at a time as requested by you. When did I say this? Where did I state that they only matter if you know the physical location? That's never once been my claim.

I'll allow you to rephrase as I believe you may be being sloppy with your language. You might want to also read more about necessary and sufficient conditions as thats the error you're making here.

Necessity and sufficiency - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jenna]

Yeah but you're completely ignoring the True Threat standard. Check out Watts v US, Watts threated LBJ in a similar fashion "If (scenario) then I'll kill (person)" The Supreme Court ruled this as expression and declared hyperbole to be different from a true threat. This has been settled case law in this country for over half a century.


but then again im just some guy dont listen to me

Utah man suspected of threatening President Joe Biden shot and killed as FBI served warrant

An armed Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president landed in the state Wednesday, authorities say.

apnews.com

Well here's a dude that made death threats towards Biden and was killed when the FBI did a raid on his home. Why did nobody tell the FBI it was just hyperbole and not a true threat?

 

[Sue Lightning]

Yeah but you're completely ignoring the True Threat standard.

“A true threat is a threatening communicationthat can be prosecuted under the law. It is distinct from a threat that is made in jest, or a threatening remark that no reasonable person would perceive to be a genuine threat, intended to be acted upon…There is some concern that even satirical speech could be regarded as a "true threat" due to concern over terrorism.”

This is the exact fallacy we are arguing with Jenna about.

 

[cachorro]

“A true threat is a threatening communicationthat can be prosecuted under the law. It is distinct from a threat that is made in jest, or a threatening remark that no reasonable person would perceive to be a genuine threat, intended to be acted upon…There is some concern that even satirical speech could be regarded as a "true threat" due to concern over terrorism.”

This is the exact fallacy we are arguing with Jenna about.

“no reasonable person would perceive to be a genuine threat, intended to be acted upon”

Yup

 

[Sue Lightning]

Utah man suspected of threatening President Joe Biden shot and killed as FBI served warrant

An armed Utah man accused of making violent threats against President Joe Biden was shot and killed by FBI agents hours before the president landed in the state Wednesday, authorities say.

apnews.com

Well here's a dude that made death threats towards Biden and was killed when the FBI did a raid on his home. Why did nobody tell the FBI it was just hyperbole and not a true threat?

Ok i know I said i’d stop but I just read up on this case the other day.

You’re aware how the law works, right? The FBI didn’t just raid him. They had evidence to determine that the threat was credible.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Read this and see EXACTLY how it is laid out. They introduce the charges and explain how the evidence included leads reason to believe that the threat is credible. They raided his home and only shot him because he fucking shot back. And guess what? The dude has FB posts warning FBI agents if they visited again he would shoot them.

Again, you suck at comparisons. Try again.

 

[NoBacon]

This is the reason I asked you to understand the difference between those two words. You're not making sense to me. The actual person who is typing words exists, is the ontos of the human (presumably), person writing your words. The username+avatar that is your "user" the abstraction that exists writing on a forum does not. Those two entities are distinct because I'm not making a metaphysical distinction regarding your person. I'm making an epistemic one. We don't have access to the ontological entity writing your posts. You are anonymous.

This is why i keep saying you're making an error. There is overlap between what we know (epistemology) and what the essence of a thing is. But, in the real practical world, if the physics of the current state of the world preclude us from the ontos, then that entity doesn't exist.

Here is the error you are making colloquially know as "mistaking the map for the place"

Map–territory relation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Sue Lightning]

You seem to want to re-write the law, and say death threats only matter if you know the physical location of the person you threaten.

Do you have any law that states that, or just lmao epistemology and wikipedia links to logical fallacies?

No, because it doesn't exist.

“A true threat is a threatening communicationthat can be prosecuted under the law. It is distinct from a threat that is made in jest, or a threatening remark that no reasonable person would perceive to be a genuine threat, intended to be acted upon…There is some concern that even satirical speech could be regarded as a "true threat" due to concern over terrorism.”

This is the exact fallacy we are arguing with Jenna about.

Comment, you fucking tard?

 

[Turry Fawks]

Jenna loves phallusees cause he's a gay faggot

 

[Sue Lightning]

Ok i know I said i’d stop but I just read up on this case the other day.

You’re aware how the law works, right? The FBI didn’t just raid him. They had evidence to determine that the threat was credible.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Read this and see EXACTLY how it is laid out. They introduce the charges and explain how the evidence included leads reason to believe that the threat is credible. They raided his home and only shot him because he fucking shot back. And guess what? The dude has FB posts warning FBI agents if they visited again he would shoot them.

Again, you suck at comparisons. Try again.

I can’t stress how fucking bad this comparison is:

The Utah guy was posting for months about how Biden was visiting Utah and he was going to dust off his gillie suit and M24 to shoot him in the head. He posted photos of a shot he made to a nickle and said he think he could get a shot in on Biden. He had been posting threats for months, all credible.

This is being compared to Nobacon saying “If I heard you gay voice i’d shoot you”

 

[Jenna]

Ok i know I said i’d stop but I just read up on this case the other day.

You’re aware how the law works, right? The FBI didn’t just raid him. They had evidence to determine that the threat was credible.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Read this and see EXACTLY how it is laid out. They introduce the charges and explain how the evidence included leads reason to believe that the threat is credible. They raided his home and only shot him because he fucking shot back. And guess what? The dude has FB posts warning FBI agents if they visited again he would shoot them.

Again, you suck at comparisons. Try again.

If the MAGA idiots on whatever forum he posted the threats on were asked, what do you think they would say? Free speech! He didn't mean it! In fact if you read the article, someone says exactly that:

“There’s no way that he was driving from here to Salt Lake City, setting up a rifle and taking a shot at the president — 100% no way,”

But the FBI didn't agree with a bunch of boomer circlejerkers who thought he didn't do nuffin wrong.

 

[Sue Lightning]

If the MAGA idiots on whatever forum he posted the threats on were asked, what do you think they would say? Free speech! He didn't mean it! In fact if you read the article, someone says exactly that:



But the FBI didn't agree with a bunch of boomer circlejerkers who thought he didn't do nuffin wrong.

Yes, but the difference between these boomer circlejerkers and us is described in the article you linked.

These boomers said he was a sweet guy who wouldn’t hurt a fly - and clarified they never saw his facebook posts.

So already these people are operating without full information. The FBI was and acted.

So how are you comparing this to us and Nobacon? In this scenario we also do not have the full information about Nobacon. But in this situation Admin is not the fucking FBI - He can’t put together a case of evidence from social media sites we don’t know Nobacon has where he clarifies the seriousness of the threats against you.

Do you see what i’m saying? I’m asking that seriously because I can’t have this get confused again.

 

[RoTheHo69]

yes 911 I did rape that intern but I've decided the intern doesn't exist.

Detectives hate this one simple trick!

911 this is AIDS I'd like to report AIDS. DO DA BIT

 

[wbgreen]

I don't care that he doesn't have experience or any real plans because right wing platitudes. Both of those are pluses in my book.

But I refuse to vote for someone who believes in a god that's an elephant with four arms. Blah blah blah every religion is nonsense, whatever. Rather elect a Muslim again.

I haven't noticed at all how Dot Indians have inexplicably become CEOs at a bunch of different American big tech companies, how there are tons of them popping up everywhere in America now, and now we've got two gunning for the presidency. Despite them being relatively rare just a decade ago.

India is a shithole, so anyone half way intelligent flees to the West. I blame affirmative action for wrecking India. The caste system worked for centuries, but now the government forces Untouchables into every part of society. The end result is a country the size of China has 1/20th the economy, shit in the streets, and Brahims flee abroad.

 

[NoBacon]

If I ever do any see of Jenna, it will end every quickly and very poorly and he knows that, of course.