I Wanna See the Courthouse Movie! - Part 3

[UnPRePared]

I'm sitting in my Villa, waiting quietly.

Now where the Fuck is my knock?

 

[Harry Powell]

302 Law and Motion, 9:30AM PT, 12:30PM ET, AFAIK:

https://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/divisions/civil/law-motion

My nigga

 

[guest]

MINI MINUTES:
No appearances. The Court adopts the tentative ruling as follows:

OTHER SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY WRITERS Non-Party Science Fiction And Fantasy Writers Of America, Inc.'S Notice Of Motion And Motion To Quash Petitioner John Doe 1'S Deposition Subpoena For Production Of Business Records

Moving party's motion to quash is granted. No sanctions are awarded to anyone; the judge pro tem's report and recommendation is otherwise adopted.

Order

Judge: Richard B. Ulmer; Clerk: W. Trupek; Not Reported (302/RBU)

 

[BudDickman]

MINI MINUTES:
No appearances. The Court adopts the tentative ruling as follows:

OTHER SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY WRITERS Non-Party Science Fiction And Fantasy Writers Of America, Inc.'S Notice Of Motion And Motion To Quash Petitioner John Doe 1'S Deposition Subpoena For Production Of Business Records

Moving party's motion to quash is granted. No sanctions are awarded to anyone; the judge pro tem's report and recommendation is otherwise adopted.

Order

Judge: Richard B. Ulmer; Clerk: W. Trupek; Not Reported (302/RBU)

So I guess Quasi knew it was a lost cause and didn't bother having Jerry Jen make arguments. Unlike Pat the idiot who let Stavros Esquire show up empty-handed so that he can repeat the same horse shit that had already been shut down.

 

[FurBurger]

MINI MINUTES:
No appearances. The Court adopts the tentative ruling as follows:

That's a shame; I wish Quasi had asked us for a buck or two for the hearing so we could have chipped in to see JJ slap 'em around a little.

Hopefully he's subpoenaed Brinton's old firm and got the details that way. Either that, or he's pulled Pat's bank statements, found the SFWA's payments and is just chalking them up as income. "The guy got $150k from the SWFA in a single year! He's rolling in dough, your honor! He can afford to pay the whole debt off in a month or two!"

 

[BudDickman]

That's a shame; I wish Quasi had asked us for a buck or two for the hearing so we could have chipped in to see JJ slap 'em around a little.

Hopefully he's subpoenaed Brinton's old firm and got the details that way. Either that, or he's pulled Pat's bank statements, found the SFWA's payments and is just chalking them up as income. "The guy got $150k from the SWFA in a single year! He's rolling in dough, your honor! He can afford to pay the whole debt off in a month or two!"

I'm sure that is covered by attorney-client privilege. I don't think you can compel someone's lawyer to give up information about their client.

 

[Punished Dan Mullen]

There obviously IS a direct financial link. SFWA members must show with a sworn affidavit that they have made a certain threshold of sales. Not only that, but he has to pay annual dues, both of which are justifications for a debtor to obtain that information. There will 100% come a day when someone be it Fatso or a SFWA officer admits under oath that the lolsuit was paid in full using SFWA donations and dues, but even without that, Rahul is entitled to Fatty's financial info.

you got too cocky mang shouldnt have fucked with the first hearing at all mang

 

[guest]

So democrat Schulman fucked over Pat and republican Ulmer sided with SFWA?

 

[Meownaw]

So I guess Quasi knew it was a lost cause and didn't bother having Jerry Jen make arguments. Unlike Pat the idiot who let Stavros Esquire show up empty-handed so that he can repeat the same horse shit that had already been shut down.

His lawyer being called Stavros here makes my ribs ache.

 

[Mitch Weaver]

His lawyer being called Stavros here makes my ribs ache.

The judge telling Stav to shut the fuck up as he was making El Pene Peña’s case for him is one of the biggest loffs I’ve had since the Reddit days.

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

Milton Stavros, Esq

 

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[FurBurger]

I'm sure that is covered by attorney-client privilege. I don't think you can compel someone's lawyer to give up information about their client.

Legal advice is covered by client-attorney privilege; in most places fees are not. California, of course, needs to do things differently, so the terms of a contract are privileged there - but I don't know enough about the law to know if that's just the terms ("rules") laid out in the contract, or whether it covers payments as well.

I also don't know if client-attorney privilege covers the SFWA in this matter, since Pat was the client and they were just footing the bill. If Pat's interests and the SFWA's interests in the case differed, should the attorney act in their interest or Pat's? Because they don't need to worry about the SFWA if they aren't a client. And if the client is on the hook for Quasi's money, and the SFWA's payments are covered by client-attorney privilege does that mean they're a client and he can get his money from the SFWA?

Is that why they're fighting so hard to keep their participation in the case under wraps? Is that why Jerry didn't fight it out in court - he's got the details via some sneaky oriental back-door?

 

[guest]

So democrat Schulman fucked over Pat and republican Ulmer sided with SFWA?

I think he relied on his cheap Asian labor. Fixed the sanctions issue to slap the coolie a little.

Because they don't need to worry about the SFWA if they aren't a client. And if the client is on the hook for Quasi's money, and the SFWA's payments are covered by client-attorney privilege does that mean they're a client and he can get his money from the SFWA?

Is that why they're fighting so hard to keep their participation in the case under wraps? Is that why Jerry didn't fight it out in court - he's got the details via some sneaky oriental back-door?

I don't think their past sponsorship of a lawsuit exposes them to the consequences of Pat's choice as a litigant advised by counsel to pursue subpoenas in the context of that lawsuit. I'm also not sure there's anything Jen is directly entitled to obtain from them regarding the lawsuit, especially if it's just SFWA's sunken cost by now. Jen could inadvertently get to find out in the course of needing to determine how Pat is going to pay Quasi.

 

[guest]

If Pat's interests and the SFWA's interests in the case differed, should the attorney act in their interest or Pat's?

Pat's name is on it. That's all that matters. If I remember correctly early on Bresto asked for logs of defamatory statements made against SFWA members in general. Quasi's lawyer told him to fuck off and they can file their own suit of they want.

does that mean they're a client and he can get his money from the SFWA?

According to some shit I read on the internet, there are some obscure "piercing the corporate veil" laws on the books, so maybe. Though the recent quash was a setback

Is that why they're fighting so hard to keep their participation in the case under wraps

The easier explanation is that the SFWA is an organization of retards run by retards and also funded by retards. If the retards who fund it find out that a newbie cis White male was written a blank check to file a laughably impossible lolsuit, they may see a reduction in retard revenue

Is that why Jerry didn't fight it out in court - he's got the details via some sneaky oriental back-door?

Considering the emojis used by tech admin of this website combined with the fact that Big Dick Jerry conceded without arguing despite having a good case, I think there might be some good news in that regard

 

[SmellenShoehorn]

Considering the emojis used by tech admin of this website combined with the fact that Big Dick Jerry conceded without arguing despite having a good case, I think there might be some good news in that regard

If this was a deliberate red herring and JJ knew he wouldn't win, knew he could get the same info elsewhere, and just wanted to run Fatso's bill up another $5k I will print out his headshot and record a tribute video.

 

[FurBurger]

I don't think their past sponsorship of a lawsuit exposes them to the consequences of Pat's choice as a litigant advised by counsel to pursue subpoenas in the context of that lawsuit.

You're right, but I don't think it's about Pat's choices in the matter. Quasi has the right to know about Pat's financial position, in order to both recover his money and treat Pat fairly in the eyes of the law. I believe whatever deal he comes up with has to meet the approval of a judge as being not too unfair to Pat; he can't just order Pat to donate a kidney.

So, was the SFWA money a gift? A loan? Was it paid to Pat or straight to the lawyers? Is there some sort of fringe benefits tax due on it; and is that up to the SFWA to pay, or Pat? If Quasi decides that Pat gets $120K+ every year in fringe benefits from the SFWA, plus his insurance income, it'll produce a repayment plan that'll fuck Pat hard. If Quasi comes up with a deal based solely on Pat's insurance income but it leaves out $40k of IRS fringe benefits tax which Pat needs to pay, that'll also fuck over Pat. Same if Quasi's deal leaves out Pat's repayments on his $120k loan from the SFWA.

I'm assuming by the way that Jerry caved on this, that he's already got the info.

 

[NoBacon]

I think the real reason is probably anti climatic and that Admin isn’t a retard like Pat who throws good money after bad. He took the L like a man.