I Wanna See the Courthouse Movie! - Part 2

[BudDickman]

If he's never been denied then why was Stav there in CA sweating and stammering away instead of Brinton?

Because Brinton pussied out of a head-to-head showdown with Ruben Peña.

 

[SFWA liaison]

any chance Monday's hearing will be broadcasted? the court has a livestreaming system but they only seem to use it when zoom is involved

 

[TorqueWheeler]

Because Brinton pussied out of a head-to-head showdown with Ruben Peña.

So someone with a more Rainman level autism than me might remember otherwise but I'm pretty sure Brinton applied and then it just didn't come to anything. Either he was denied or, as you say, he pussied out because he knew there was zero chance of success anyway and Pat couldn't use the SFWA money to pay him for this one. Great value for money there, Pat.

 

[BudDickman]

So someone with a more Rainman level autism than me might remember otherwise but I'm pretty sure Brinton applied and then it just didn't come to anything. Either he was denied or, as you say, he pussied out because he knew there was zero chance of success anyway and Pat couldn't use the SFWA money to pay him for this one. Great value for money there, Pat.

I believe that he said, either in court or in writing, that he would file to be admitted pro hac vice, but he never followed through and let Stavros Esquire take the reaming from Pena and the judge.

 

[guest]

Unless Minc are incredibly, breathtakingly, never-studied-law-at-college incompetent Pat'll have signed a form saying he understands the risks before they took him on as client. It's on him as an alleged adult to ask enough questions before voting signing a contract.

Pat could argue they didn't explain the risks enough, but that's a he-said, pig-said argument that'll be tough to litigate without clear evidence from someone who isn't a world-renowned liar and triathlete.

As a non-lawyer, when I Google "Important First Amendment cases" Krinsky comes up early and often (that decision has been used as guidance in cases in other states; it's pretty fundamental). Pat could maybe sue his lawyers for not anticipating a Krinsky defence - I think his case would have had a better outcome with better planning - but that requires hiring a lawyer to sue a lawyer, and the legal fraternity are deeply reluctant to attack another made man lawyer; so rotsa ruck, fataboy!

[URL='https://archive.ph/PY76X']SFWA's Legal Fund documentation makes it clear[/URL] that Pat's fees are a loan, and that they don't pay damages. It also makes clear that Pat will have waived legal privilege so their lawyer can snuffle through the case. Pat could maybe have a shot at suing that guy for not anticipating Krinsky, although there's no reason to expect the SFWA's lawyer to act in Pat's interest, particularly if the SFWA charge interest on the loan (i.e. it's beneficial to them). I can think of a way Pat can maybe piggly-wriggly out of that obligation, but fuck him, that fat bitch is on his own.

Unless Pat signed a contract that said he owed the money back, he doesn't owe a penny. The SFWA legal fund documentation also talks about cases that the SFWA takes on to promote justice in the scifi industry as a whole. In this case it wouldn't just be on behalf of a single member. Mary 3 Names probably approved one of these even though it was in Pat's name arguing that "if they (OnAForums) could do it to me, they could do it to anyone"

Btw how soon can we request SFWA's tax docs and actually see how much they poured into this? Taxes are due in April right, or is that just for individuals.

 

[BudDickman]

By the way, if you Google "Brinton Resto pro hac vice" you will find not only Quasi's petition to quash as the very first result, but also an article by Brinton Resto himself about what "pro vice hac" means:

Can an Attorney From Another State Represent You?

Attorneys may represent clients in another state via the pro hac vice process or local counsel. Learn how Minc can represent you from across the country.

www.minclaw.com

It seems that Brinton Resto and Minc Law are subject matter experts in internet law practicing out of the hotbed of tech innovation that is Cleveland, Ohio, unlike Kronenberger Rosenfeld, who are based out of San Francisco, California.

 

[UnPRePared]

By the way, if you Google "Brinton Resto pro hac vice" you will find not only Quasi's petition to quash as the very first result, but also an article by Brinton Resto himself about what "pro vice hac" means:

We already know Brinton is the Pro Vice Hack.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

I highly doubt that any law firm would tell their clients that the case is slamdunk.
They might be vague and try to confuse you but I dont think they leave you the option to sue for malpractise. Specially with a case that stupid.

Also Rick said in tape1 that his lawyers told him it is an uphill battle.

Lawyers are a confident bunch, even when they lose they’re already spinning it and giving you options on how to keep going. Pats team telling him upfront that it’s an “uphill battle” was there way of saying “ok, this is an almost impossible case but we warned you so you can’t get upset when this fails”

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

Isn’t Pat the one that told Minc Law that we all are in Wisconsin? Pretty sure he’s the one that led them astray

You know Pat exaggerated and lied about everything so his law team thought they actually had something. Then it came time to submit evidence and piggy’s Bullshit became clear. Pat had to then vandalize his own property in hopes they could throw that in to make the case seem important.

 

[IGotATreeOnMyHouse85]

I noticed that piggy just replied to a CovidCumia taunt from a few days ago.

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He really is a pants-shitting retard. This isn't something that you can just ignore Pat, the longer you wait the worse it gets.

He acts like a legal document like this isn’t real. He thinks as long as he doesn’t believe he needs to pay quasi nothing will happen because he’s “always right” even though that’s not how the world works. Mentally he’s a teenager and doesn’t understand his actions have consequences. That’s why he keeps saying “wrong as always” because in his mind quasi is the bad guy and Pat is the good guy and good guys always win.

 

[guest]

You know Pat exaggerated and lied about everything so his law team thought they actually had something. Then it came time to submit evidence and piggy’s Bullshit became clear. Pat had to then vandalize his own property in hopes they could throw that in to make the case seem important.

I think this has been a commonly way overstated point on here that everyone honed in on for whatever reason.

At the beginning of the suit Resto said he had “no reason to believe that we were outside of Wisconsin”. That was a lawyerspeak technicality because they didn’t know where anyone is so at that point in the proceedings maybe the Does were in Wisconsin and maybe they weren’t. I don’t think anyone involved believed all 60 were local. Since the case was in Wisconsin they proceed with Wisconsin laws until they have reason to move it somewhere else. Resto was just trying to keep it on track until they could ID anyone and then pursue it wherever they had to. I never thought it was some big lie or a huge deal at all.

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

He acts like a legal document like this isn’t real. He thinks as long as he doesn’t believe he needs to pay quasi nothing will happen because he’s “always right” even though that’s not how the world works. Mentally he’s a teenager and doesn’t understand his actions have consequences. That’s why he keeps saying “wrong as always” because in his mind quasi is the bad guy and Pat is the good guy and good guys always win.

i'm trying to find the document certifying that Patrick Tomlinson has Donkey Brains

 

[Libby Son Of Loin]

I believe that he said, either in court or in writing, that he would file to be admitted pro hac vice, but he never followed through and let Stavros Esquire take the reaming from Pena and the judge.

For once he made a good move. We know what a stuttering prick resto. Twink called it a quosh in front of Ashley. Pena would have torn him to shreds

 

[Slackjawed Cow]

For that last few months I have been thinking that the legal shit was over. Knowing pat is still tied up accruing legal fees just made this day a little sunnier.

 

[FurBurger]

Unless Pat signed a contract that said he owed the money back, he doesn't owe a penny.

I'm assuming Pat had to sign a form drawn up by the SFWA's legal counsel acknowledging that he'd have to pay it back.

If not, and the SWFA decide they're in the business of handing out $100k non-repayable "loans" to their friends without any sort of paperwork, they risk the IRS pulling their charity status and making the organisation pay taxes; and the SFWA officers who made the decision in violation of the org's guidelines could face fraud charges.

Also, Pat will owe taxes on his additional $100k+ of income.

I'm fine with any of that.

The SFWA legal fund documentation also talks about cases that the SFWA takes on to promote justice in the scifi industry as a whole. In this case it wouldn't just be on behalf of a single member.

It's a defamation suit; it serves only to sooth Piggy's wounded pride. It provides no benefit to any other writer, and if (God forbid) they had won it would not stop anybody calling their members kid fuckers and anti-Semites. It just benefits one guy, who judging by his book sales is barely a writer at all.

Btw how soon can we request SFWA's tax docs and actually see how much they poured into this? Taxes are due in April right, or is that just for individuals.

I think it's IRS form 990, and you can just view it online, and I believe it should be covered by one of the SFWA's already lodged filings.

Unfortunately the IRS have a backlog at the moment, and their last online filing is a couple of years old. However, I do go looking for it every couple of months, and I doubt that I'm the only one.

I wonder if anyone's let the IRS know about Pat's potential $100k windfall, paid out to his lawyers? Are there any accountants here? How do the IRS handle money which benefits you but isn't paid to you directly as cash?

 

[guest]

I'm assuming Pat had to sign a form drawn up by the SFWA's legal counsel acknowledging that he'd have to pay it back.

If not, and the SWFA decide they're in the business of handing out $100k non-repayable "loans" to their friends without any sort of paperwork, they risk the IRS pulling their charity status and making the organisation pay taxes; and the SFWA officers who made the decision in violation of the org's guidelines could face fraud charges.

Also, Pat will owe taxes on his additional $100k+ of income.

I'm fine with any of that.


It's a defamation suit; it serves only to sooth Piggy's wounded pride. It provides no benefit to any other writer, and if (God forbid) they had won it would not stop anybody calling their members kid fuckers and anti-Semites. It just benefits one guy, who judging by his book sales is barely a writer at all.


I think it's IRS form 990, [URL='https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/search-for-tax-exempt-organizations']and you can just view it online,[/URL] and I believe it should be covered by one of the SFWA's already lodged filings.

Unfortunately the IRS have a backlog at the moment, and their last online filing is a couple of years old. However, I do go looking for it every couple of months, and I doubt that I'm the only one.

I wonder if anyone's let the IRS know about Pat's potential $100k windfall, paid out to his lawyers? Are there any accountants here? How do the IRS handle money which benefits you but isn't paid to you directly as cash?

I’m not an accountant exactly but you may be onto something here. They may count this as a taxable gift, however it’s the giver of the gift that pays the tax usually, not the recipient.

Anyone who has a CPA doing their taxes this year should ask them that question. Or there’s probably a subreddit for shit like that.

 

[CarolMaxheinie]

So angry he is probably unblocking @CarolMaxheinie so he can rub one out and take a nap under his pink blankie. Enjoy your dinner, Carol. Patty is fantasizing about serving you a meal right now...

I was blocked (like Bobo!) last night.
Right now: unblocked *shudder*

I’m gonna go take a hot bath…I feel dirty

 

[NoBacon]

I was blocked (like Bobo!) last night.
Right now: unblocked *shudder*

I’m gonna go take a hot bath…I feel dirty

i thought Patrick was irresistible to the gays?

 

[CarolMaxheinie]

i thought Patrick was irresistible to the gays?

He’s the ugliest, least sexy man ever.

 

[NoBacon]

He’s the ugliest, least sexy man ever.

He’s definitely one of those fat retards who thinks every gay man is hitting on him. “I’m sorry but I’m actually straight” when they ask him where the bathroom is