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Where we at with Genesis?

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I love Genesis. More the progressive stuff but the Phil collins fronted 80s version still had good stuff, especially the Duke album. Collins is a bit underrated as a drummer from their 70s work. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Phil’s solo stuff and always preferred Genesis.
 
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IGotATreeOnMyHouse85 said:
I love Genesis. More the progressive stuff but the Phil collins fronted 80s version still had good stuff, especially the Duke album. Collins is a bit underrated as a drummer from their 70s work. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Phil’s solo stuff and always preferred Genesis.
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It seems most people, when they think of the 80's, bring up Invisible Touch. It's like Duke is forgotten.

But Duke is a personal favorite of mine. I think it holds a place in time as their personal goodbye to Progressive Rock, something Tony halfway admitted to me one night. The self-titled Genesis album that followed was a complete culture shift for them, in how they wrote and in what they chose to create.

You listen to both back to back, you'd almost think it's different bands with a similar sound.
 
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It seems most people, when they think of the 80's, bring up Invisible Touch. It's like Duke is forgotten.

But Duke is a personal favorite of mine. I think it holds a place in time as their personal goodbye to Progressive Rock, something Tony halfway admitted to me one night. The self-titled Genesis album that followed was a complete culture shift for them, in how they wrote and in what they chose to create.

You listen to both back to back, you'd almost think it's different bands with a similar sound.
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Yeah I’m a big fan of the Duke album and agree that is was the goodbye to progressive and a more radio friendly sound. They would usually have 1 or 2 progressive type songs on the later albums but focus was on singles.

I always enjoyed Genesis’s song writing / song topics compared to Collins solo which seemed to be majority love songs. Turn It On Again about a guy who believes the people on tv are his friends, I can’t dance about runway models and their only talent is walking, Jesus He Knows Me about televangelists, man on the corner homelessness, keep it dark, etc.
 
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Genesis makes me feel queasy. It's like the music causes a reaction similar to motion sickness. I think it's because their music has a rhythm like a fucking sewing machine. Listen to Invisible Touch:

The drums are dink dink dink
The guitar is plink plink plink
The keyboard is bing bing bing
Then add Phil Collins singing SHE. SEEMS. TO. HAVE...

All their songs are variations on that and I have to switch it off or leave the room.
 
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I see a lot people don’t like the Phil era which I understand since those radio songs were played so much AS WELL AS Phil’s solo stuff in the 80s / 90s which was overkill at the time. Most people confuse some of Phils solo stuff as Genesis since it was all at once. Peter Gabriel’s stuff was really something, there’s touring tribute bands dedicated just to his era and don’t even play the Phil stuff. That’s stuff to check out for progressive fans, especially “Watcher of the Skies”

Peter Gabriel’s “Solsbury Hill” was actual written about making the decision to leave Genesis
 
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Yeah I’m a big fan of the Duke album and agree that is was the goodbye to progressive and a more radio friendly sound. They would usually have 1 or 2 progressive type songs on the later albums but focus was on singles.

I always enjoyed Genesis’s song writing / song topics compared to Collins solo which seemed to be majority love songs. Turn It On Again about a guy who believes the people on tv are his friends, I can’t dance about runway models and their only talent is walking, Jesus He Knows Me about televangelists, man on the corner homelessness, keep it dark, etc.
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Now that you mention it, that is a keen thing about some of those later songs, as how they could be so clever despite being radio friendly.

My one favorite song to sing from "Invisible Touch" is "Domino", which Tony wrote himself. The lyrics were about the '82 Lebanon War, and if you just listen to the beat, you miss how much depth and hopelessness is in that song.

I think Phil gets a little bit of a bad rap as "The Love Song Guy", which seems to go all the way back to his song on "Selling England By The Pound" with Steve Hackett, "More Fool Me". One time, and only once, thanks to a bit of drinking after a bad show, Mike and Tony lamented some of the songs on Calling All Stations as being too heavy handed with the lyrics. I can't remember which one said it, but one of them basically said that Phil had a way to write something clever and subtle that even if you didn't pick it up the first time, after multiple listens, you usually get it. His subtlety was one of his biggest strengths.

As I get older, and keep writing songs, I see how valuable that kind of talent really is.
 
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