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[RobertMewler]

He was absolutely pointless on the radio. He could barely talk. Howard does not understand what humor is.

Even worse was Fred's impression of him.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Even worse was Fred's impression of him.

Fred ruins every Grillo appearance by constantly repeating “baygked putaytoh.” He’s horrifically unfunny and thin skinned. Like when he got mad at the guy from the play making out with his wife but not at his wife when they were both in studio.

 

[Mitch Weaver]

Yeah horrible wack packer. Could never listen to more than a few minutes of that asshole

Overall I’d agree but hearing him sperg out over the most innocuous comment was funny to me.

I like to see retards lose their shit (and hopefully their home )

 

[DMAN]

But in hindsight its very clear what the issue was. Howard wanted complete control over his employees. He would have shut down the gigs even if there were no mention of the Stern show. Second is Howard wanted to be the face. You can’t let Jackie, Fred, Artie, John, or Gary make names for themselves because then fans may be listening for or like other people than Howard. Third is Howard probably knew he was a cheap bastard and felt bad his employees had to do side gigs for money - but instead of being a man and correcting this he shut down the gigs altogether.

Howard was doing those same live gigs in the 80s before he blew up. Live gigs are not a pleasure to do, it’s not fun, it’s something the guys on the show do because they needed da money.

The difference was, people actually went to see Howard. That’s how he grew his show. He could control the live gigs because he was there. Howard could not control what Gary, Sal, Bob Levy, Shuli, did on the road while they were using his name.

Why the fuck would you loan out your brand name to Bob Levy for his awful hacky stage show? A guy who literally eats blue cheese out of bitches asses as his closer? And especially when you get nothing in return? Levy was a bottom feeding leech to the show. He himself created almost nothing of note during his entire run on the show.

It’s less about wanting to “control” their lives and more about wanting to keep his name clean from the retards that he chooses to throw money at for doing barely anything.

Every last staff member on Stern got there because they begged to be let into his world. None of them were doing Howard any favors by working for him and getting paid even if they got less than you might think they deserved.

They were lucky Howard permitted them to get together and do a show using his name and promoting it on his channels for free.

The problem with this “gimmie gimmie gimmmie” bullshit that fans have against Howard is that he gave people a lot of leeway and they began to take it for granted and expect Howard to give them these gifts of promotion and brand recognition in perpetuity. And their rationale would be “I do free work for you, Howidd!!!!” Translation, “I begged to be on your show for free plugs and now you’re treating me like the leech I am instead of the preferential treatment that I am accustomed to.”

How is Levy doing these days? Double crossing and taking sides between Kevin Brennan and Shuli. Yeah what a fucking contributor. Howard should have rolled out the red carpet for Levy and paid him a licensing fee for going on stage drunk with Beetlejuice in Pine Bluff, Arkansas.

Get real

 

[LingerLonger]

Howard was doing those same live gigs in the 80s before he blew up. Live gigs are not a pleasure to do, it’s not fun, it’s something the guys on the show do because they needed da money.

Sometimes it was money. But often times radio jocks had to do the live appearances. Like when Opie was forced to do live appearances as Spuds Buckley (La! La! La! La!). Or at WAAF when they were going to bars, concert venues, restaurants, and even bus terminals. It was part of their radio duties. At WNEW they were supposed to promote the "History of the Rock of NY" or whatever that stupid promotion was but would just stay home and get yelled at until management quit bothering to ask them to show up at the live gigs.

Howard had to do live appearances as Hopalong Howie.

The difference was, people actually went to see Howard. That’s how he grew his show. He could control the live gigs because he was there. Howard could not control what Gary, Sal, Bob Levy, Shuli, did on the road while they were using his name.

People did go to see Gary and John though and hang out. Which is why so many companies would pay them an appearance fee. I don't know anyone who ever wanted to see Shuli or Bob Levy unless it was them in front of a firing squad.

Why the fuck would you loan out your brand name to Bob Levy for his awful hacky stage show? A guy who literally eats blue cheese out of bitches asses as his closer?

It’s less about wanting to “control” their lives and more about wanting to keep his name clean from the retards that he chooses to throw money at for doing barely anything.

Howard's done worse stuff on his show. He has porn whores on his sex machine riding it. He had incest themed shows. Smallest penis contest. Tons of gay stunts and bits. People stripping down and having baloney thrown at their assholes. Stern's entire career was built on hack radio shock jock bits and stunts.

Howard didn't want Billy West doing voice acting. He's just a maniac. He didn't want Artie doing certain standup gigs or making Beer League either. Or Robin hosting a daytime talk show. Howard hates when his people are successful without him.

 

[DMAN]

Howard's done worse stuff on his show. He has porn whores on his sex machine riding it. He had incest themed shows. Smallest penis contest. Tons of gay stunts and bits. People stripping down and having baloney thrown at their assholes. Stern's entire career was built on hack radio shock jock bits and stunts.

And it was his show, and his prerogative to do those bits, and he could control how far they went and for how long.

Can't do that from your basement in NY when every retard who you have to keep an eye on daily is out in some loser Jersey dive bar using your name to see how low they can sink.

Howard didn't want Billy West doing voice acting.

More accurately, Howard wanted Billy available and focused on doing his show, as he was getting paid for.

He didn't want Artie doing certain standup gigs or making Beer League either.

More accurately, Howard wanted Artie available to do his show, as he was getting paid for.

Or Robin hosting a daytime talk show.

More accurately, Howard wanted Robin available and focused on doing his show, as she was getting paid for.

It's like Howard Stern fans deliberately ignore this was a business and not playtime where people just do shit for funsies and the big boss should "be cool" and act like my best friend rather than my boss about everything, maaaan.

When a lot of you talk about Howard's business decisions, you come off sounding like dopey Communist Zoomers. Come on, man! Just let them use your name, bro. Let them do whatever they want dude. They need the money!!!

You can say "they were underpaid in relation to the amount Stern was generating..." Maybe they shouldn't have agreed to work for less than the job was worth, just so they can have a "cool" job like the Stern show? Howard wasn't a slave owner who captured people and forced them into indentured servitude. These people literally chased him down and begged for a job, then whined about the conditions when their boss didn't give in to their unreasonable requests.

Billy West wised up and asked for more money. He didn't get it, so he moved on because he had a unique talent independent of Stern. The others? Not so much. And you're falling into their complete bullshit victim playing arguments.

Again, get real.

 

[IDidThisForYou]

One thing people forget is even if Howard was paying his staff a high six-figure salary, these people are so irresponsible with money. Sal nearly had a breakdown when Howard hinted he wasn’t re-signing back in 2010, and even seven years later, when they did the Wack Pack death pool, putting in $100 was too stressful for him that they canceled it. Fred hinted around 2009 that he’d have to find another job if Howard quit. These guys blow through their paychecks the second they get it. Not saying Howard ain’t a cheap heeb, but some responsibility has to be put on his guys.

 

[Antwan2]

One thing people forget is even if Howard was paying his staff a high six-figure salary, these people are so irresponsible with money. Sal nearly had a breakdown when Howard hinted he wasn’t re-signing back in 2010, and even seven years later, when they did the Wack Pack death pool, putting in $100 was too stressful for him that they canceled it. Fred hinted around 2009 that he’d have to find another job if Howard quit. These guys blow through their paychecks the second they get it. Not saying Howard ain’t a cheap heeb, but some responsibility has to be put on his guys.

I don’t think Sal/Richard/or anyone on that level makes that much over 100k to be honest. 100-120k isn’t much in NYC.

 

[IDidThisForYou]

I don’t think Sal/Richard/or anyone on that level makes that much over 100k to be honest. 100-120k isn’t much in NYC.

I’d be surprised if they made 60k just from their position on the show. But even if they made 600k, they’d still be struggling financially given how irresponsible they are.

Shit, Stuttering John went from a cushy gig on The Tonight Show to doing a podcast in a roach infested apartment like 5 years later.

 

[LingerLonger]

Gary and Artie were both making $600K annually when it was Artie's last year on Sirius before being fired. Sirius technically pays them all not Howard though. So their contracts don't go through him though he probably counts every penny.

 

[DMAN]

I don’t think Sal/Richard/or anyone on that level makes that much over 100k to be honest. 100-120k isn’t much in NYC.

Then you move to Jersey or CT. Make it work.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Gary and Artie were both making $600K annually when it was Artie's last year on Sirius before being fired. Sirius technically pays them all not Howard though. So their contracts don't go through him though he probably counts every penny.

Jackie said exactly as much. “He’d never enter contract negotiations but he knew where every penny went.” Do we think at as peak Norton was making more on his respective show than Artie? Artie was basically killing himself to do standup every weekend. Yeah, 50k a weekend is crazy money but not when you’re a reckless junkie. And I say that as a huge Artie fanboy. Gary said he couldn’t buy a house without doing all those appearances. Grillo was an intern for 7 years. KC was a fixture on the show and he could barely keep his head above water without wiping Beet’s ass. Howard took advantage of everyone in his wake and he’ll still die alone and closeted.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Then you move to Jersey or CT. Make it work.

Sal’s wife’s spending was a huge problem for him.

 

[LingerLonger]

Do we think at as peak Norton was making more on his respective show than Artie? Artie was basically killing himself to do standup every weekend. Yeah, 50k a weekend is crazy money but not when you’re a reckless junkie. And I say that as a huge Artie fanboy.

Artie owned multiple properties, financed part of a movie, gambled millions on sports, and had one of the worst coke habits in history. Him working weekends and doing standup was to fuel his insane lifestyle and finance the dozens of family members who were living off of him at the time. He was pretty much taking standup gigs to have gambling and coke money for a week or month or whatever.

I doubt that Norton ever made more than $500K any year at Sirius including now. Factor in him having an agent, PR reps, assistants or Kenny, and taxes, and you take a big chunk. And Norton's standup gigs and movie appearances probably do not pay him much either. I would honestly not be shocked if Norton and Sam do not make a combined $500K at Sirius.

Artie and the Stern people got huge pay raises because of Mel Cardstand and his connections to Stern. No one from the O&A channels got anything like that including Opie and Anthony.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

“Who wears cologne to work? Also did he (Ronnie) just say that his mother is still alive? He’s like 100.” Edited for clarity

 

[I'm Not Loying]

Howard couldn’t dress himself, you look at old photos and he was just a slob even with money. Him and Ralph were def gay and Beth is a beard because Howard always wanted that “supermodel” wife (even though she was a model for Sears catalogs, not super model material)

I like the "closet tranny" rumors about Stern which explains the crossdressing he would do back in the 90s.

 

[I'm Not Loying]

So medical malpractice is a huge possibility. He had no health insurance and then took too long to get it taken care of, and when it was, it was by incompetent doctors.

It's really not. My father had his nearing stage 4 non-hodgkins lymphoma misdiagnosed and no lawyer would take the case on, thankfully he didn't die and recovered. You really have to have a blatantly retarded doctor who botches a surgery or you die from misdiagnosis for medmal to be feasible. It's one of the most expensive types of lawsuit. Dr. Death in Texas maimed like 40 people before he finally lost his license and he was literally doing cocaine before surgeries and other doctors testified against him. You have to obviously fuck up. Misdiagnosis isn't always enough nor is delayed diagnosis, it's very fact specific. Him not having health insurance makes doctors even less liable. You do know people die of cancer because they don't have health insurance, right? Anyway it's good the left focused on crying about words like nigger and faggot instead of focusing on the one issue they're more correct on than the right is.