Do you really think black people would be living any differently in America vs in Africa if whites had completely left them to their own devices? To build their own buildings, lay their own power lines, enforce their own laws, pick up their own trash?
What? You’re actually making my point. The blacks in Africa do none of what you just said (establishing infrastructure etc). Blacks in America do. Now you can say they have a white man behind them making them do that but again, thats my exact point. American blacks have had to adapt to our society and culture because they lived under us for 300 years. Now do they follow that to a T? Of course not. But i’m not comparing blacks to whites but blacks to Africans.
This country "shapes" people by giving them money to live in better conditions. It doesn't change who they are.
That is completely wrong. I don’t give a shit if you’re black, chinese, or european. Anybody who lives in this country wether for one generation or three inevitably has their culture and ideas shaped by the country. Even if you want to boil it down to “America just gives them better lives” you seriously don’t think that rubs off on their perspectives? They’re just all ungrateful for that?
If you think exposing Africans to Christianity, Western law and customs would shape them, then why didn't it work when it actually happened in the 1800s-1900s? Once white people left, everything they built crumbled and Africa went back to being Africa. Furthermore, there isn't a significant difference between Christian-colonized and Muslim-colonized African countries. They inherited different cultures and religions but are both living in abject poverty. The same goes for Haiti obviously.
Because, like I said in my original post, there is a difference between taking people and moving them to your land and enslaving them, rather than going to THEIR land and trying to impose your shit on them there. Bringing blacks to America essentially removed their autonomy and identity completely so we could plant whatever we wanted into them. And they had to accept it because they had no power. Even when the Africans were getting literally raped because they were always in THEIR homeland they held the power to expel and felt no need to adapt. They didn’t live in white society, white society lived in theirs.
Famous black people are all American because there is no avenue in Africa to become famous. You can't sell ten million records or be a famous runningback if you have no industry and no infrastructure.
Again how is that not proving my point. Africans left to their own devices, even if they magically built the same infrastructure as us, would still not rise to the “talent” of black Americans or hold sway over them. Again, Africans don’t have infrastructure etc etc. But whats stopping them from moving to America with their immense talents and getting noticed there? We all know why. Because they HAVE no talent.
I don’t know how else to explain this to make it easier to understand. My point, again, isn’t comparing whites to blacks. It’s comparing blacks to other blacks. You cannot honestly pretend the average US Nigger as the average dude in Africa. I mean fuck, the worst black criminal you can be here is a gang member who shoots other blacks. The worst criminal you can be over there is a general of child soldiers who practices cannibalism. You can not honestly tell me any black person in America is just a stepping stone or two away from becoming the latter.