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Anarcho-Communist. Every single great religion and philosopher has argued against wealth and rich people.
There is no way Anarcho-Communism could actually work, because of the those persistently nagging issues of Incentive, Human Nature, the neurotic aversion of Objectivity in both ideologies separately, and the fact that every single economy that has ever existed has always pursued a way to increase it's output for the same amount of money, or simply make more for less.

These truths have constantly dogged both of these ideologies (as well as all of human history), and have almost guaranteed their failures. We just never get to address them, because we're constantly told that it's not the ideologies fault; it's sanctions, conspiracies, CIA, Jews, etc.

Couple that with the inherent misnomer of the dueling natures of Anarchy and Communism by definition (and the exploitation of Anarchy BY Communism in achieving it's own means), and also that the potency of Communism is so great; it ultimately absorbs any system it's side-loaded with (and the derivative systems birthed from it) into it's deeply authoritarian nature - sooner or later - while placating people that "the Utopia™ is right around the corner! You just have to let us be authoritarian first."

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There is no way Anarcho-Communism could actually work, because of the those persistently nagging issues of Incentive, Human Nature, the neurotic aversion of Objectivity in both ideologies separately, and the fact that every single economy that has ever existed has always pursued a way to increase it's output for the same amount of money, or simply make more for less.

These truths have constantly dogged both of these ideologies (as well as all of human history), and have almost guaranteed their failures. We just never get to address them, because we're constantly told that it's not the ideologies fault; it's sanctions, conspiracies, CIA, Jews, etc.

Couple that with the inherent misnomer of the dueling natures of Anarchy and Communism by definition (and the exploitation of Anarchy BY Communism in achieving it's own means), and also that the potency of Communism is so great; it ultimately absorbs any system it's side-loaded with (and the derivative systems birthed from it) into it's deeply authoritarian nature - sooner or later - while placating people that "the Utopia™ is right around the corner! You just have to let us be authoritarian first."

TL;DR: It's for gay faggots.
Anarcho-Communism pretty much describes the natural state of human beings. Humans have every incentive to live together, peacefully and generously, with their tribal group. Hunter-gathering lasted hundreds of thousands of years. It's demonstrably the most natural and sustainable way for humans to live with each other. 96% of the biomass of mammals are humans and their livestock. 4% of the weight of all wild mammals, elephants, whales, hippos, bison, is what is against all nature. What is a better system? Monarchism, republicanism, aristocracy, democracy, theocracy, oligarchy, have all been tried and failed rapidly. I want to return to Rousseau's state of nature, and thanks to impending nuclear war and ecologic and social collapse, I will.

Rousseau, Discourse on the Inequality of Man

The first man, who, after enclosing a piece of ground, took it into his head to say, "This is mine," and found people simple enough to believe him, was the true founder of civil society. How many crimes, how many wars, how many murders, how many misfortunes and horrors, would that man have saved the human species, who pulling up the stakes or filling up the ditches should have cried to his fellows: Be sure not to listen to this imposter; you are lost, if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong equally to us all, and the earth itself to nobody!
Men soon ceasing to fall asleep under the first tree, or take shelter in the first cavern, lit upon some hard and sharp kinds of stone resembling spades or hatchets, and employed them to dig the ground, cut down trees, and with the branches build huts, which they afterwards bethought themselves of plastering over with clay or dirt. This was the epoch of a first revolution, which produced the establishment and distinction of families, and which introduced a species of property, and along with it perhaps a thousand quarrels and battles.
these conveniences having through use lost almost all their aptness to please, and even degenerated into real wants, the privation of them became far more intolerable than the possession of them had been agreeable; to lose them was a misfortune, to possess them no happiness.
They now begin to assemble round a great tree: singing and dancing, the genuine offspring of love and leisure, become the amusement or rather the occupation of the men and women, free from care, thus gathered together. Every one begins to survey the rest, and wishes to be surveyed himself; and public esteem acquires a value. He who sings or dances best; the handsomest, the strongest, the most dexterous, the most eloquent, comes to be the most respected: this was the first step towards inequality, and at the same time towards vice. From these first preferences there proceeded on one side vanity and contempt, on the other envy and shame; and the fermentation raised by these new leavens at length produced combinations fatal to happiness and innocence.
It was thus that every man, punishing the contempt expressed for him by others in proportion to the value he set upon himself, the effects of revenge became terrible, and men learned to be sanguinary and cruel. Such precisely was the degree attained by most of the savage nations with whom we are acquainted. And it is for want of sufficiently distinguishing ideas, and observing at how great a distance these people were from the first state of nature, that so many authors have hastily concluded that man is naturally cruel, and requires a regular system of police to be reclaimed; whereas nothing can be more gentle than he in his primitive state, when placed by nature at an equal distance from the stupidity of brutes, and the pernicious good sense of civilized man.
This period of the development of the human faculties, holding a just mean between the indolence of the primitive state, and the petulant activity of self-love, must have been the happiest and most durable epoch. The more we reflect on this state, the more convinced we shall be, that it was the least subject of any to revolutions, the best for man, and that nothing could have drawn him out of it but some fatal accident, which, for the public good, should never have happened.
In a word, as long as they undertook such works only as a single person could finish, and stuck to such arts as did not require the joint endeavours of several hands, they lived free, healthy, honest and happy, as much as their nature would admit, and continued to enjoy with each other all the pleasures of an independent intercourse; but from the moment one man began to stand in need of another's assistance; from the moment it appeared an advantage for one man to possess the quantity of provisions requisite for two, all equality vanished; property started up; labour became necessary; and boundless forests became smiling fields, which it was found necessary to water with human sweat, and in which slavery and misery were soon seen to sprout out and grow with the fruits of the earth.
It is iron and corn, which have civilized men, and ruined mankind.
 
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Anarcho-Communism pretty much describes the natural state of human beings. Humans have every incentive to live together, peacefully and generously, with their tribal group. Hunter-gathering lasted hundreds of thousands of years. It's demonstrably the most natural and sustainable way for humans to live with each other. 96% of the biomass of mammals are humans and their livestock. 4% of the weight of all wild mammals, elephants, whales, hippos, bison, is what is against all nature. What is a better system? Monarchism, republicanism, aristocracy, democracy, theocracy, oligarchy, have all been tried and failed rapidly. I want to return to Rousseau's state of nature, and thanks to impending nuclear war and ecologic and social collapse, I will.

Rousseau, Discourse on the Inequality of Man

The first man, who, after enclosing a piece of ground, took it into his head to say, "This is mine," and found people simple enough to believe him, was the true founder of civil society. How many crimes, how many wars, how many murders, how many misfortunes and horrors, would that man have saved the human species, who pulling up the stakes or filling up the ditches should have cried to his fellows: Be sure not to listen to this imposter; you are lost, if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong equally to us all, and the earth itself to nobody!
Men soon ceasing to fall asleep under the first tree, or take shelter in the first cavern, lit upon some hard and sharp kinds of stone resembling spades or hatchets, and employed them to dig the ground, cut down trees, and with the branches build huts, which they afterwards bethought themselves of plastering over with clay or dirt. This was the epoch of a first revolution, which produced the establishment and distinction of families, and which introduced a species of property, and along with it perhaps a thousand quarrels and battles.
these conveniences having through use lost almost all their aptness to please, and even degenerated into real wants, the privation of them became far more intolerable than the possession of them had been agreeable; to lose them was a misfortune, to possess them no happiness.
They now begin to assemble round a great tree: singing and dancing, the genuine offspring of love and leisure, become the amusement or rather the occupation of the men and women, free from care, thus gathered together. Every one begins to survey the rest, and wishes to be surveyed himself; and public esteem acquires a value. He who sings or dances best; the handsomest, the strongest, the most dexterous, the most eloquent, comes to be the most respected: this was the first step towards inequality, and at the same time towards vice. From these first preferences there proceeded on one side vanity and contempt, on the other envy and shame; and the fermentation raised by these new leavens at length produced combinations fatal to happiness and innocence.
It was thus that every man, punishing the contempt expressed for him by others in proportion to the value he set upon himself, the effects of revenge became terrible, and men learned to be sanguinary and cruel. Such precisely was the degree attained by most of the savage nations with whom we are acquainted. And it is for want of sufficiently distinguishing ideas, and observing at how great a distance these people were from the first state of nature, that so many authors have hastily concluded that man is naturally cruel, and requires a regular system of police to be reclaimed; whereas nothing can be more gentle than he in his primitive state, when placed by nature at an equal distance from the stupidity of brutes, and the pernicious good sense of civilized man.
This period of the development of the human faculties, holding a just mean between the indolence of the primitive state, and the petulant activity of self-love, must have been the happiest and most durable epoch. The more we reflect on this state, the more convinced we shall be, that it was the least subject of any to revolutions, the best for man, and that nothing could have drawn him out of it but some fatal accident, which, for the public good, should never have happened.
In a word, as long as they undertook such works only as a single person could finish, and stuck to such arts as did not require the joint endeavours of several hands, they lived free, healthy, honest and happy, as much as their nature would admit, and continued to enjoy with each other all the pleasures of an independent intercourse; but from the moment one man began to stand in need of another's assistance; from the moment it appeared an advantage for one man to possess the quantity of provisions requisite for two, all equality vanished; property started up; labour became necessary; and boundless forests became smiling fields, which it was found necessary to water with human sweat, and in which slavery and misery were soon seen to sprout out and grow with the fruits of the earth.
It is iron and corn, which have civilized men, and ruined mankind.
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You should do a tldr for people who aren't willing to read a novel.
I think that's what I tried before the Rousseau part. Basically Rousseau says that the idea of the primitive being savage is bullshit. We think that because we see savages around us now, but they are about as far removed from nature as the Europeans are, and influenced by them to boot. People naturally get along. This is borne out by history and anthropology. Warfare doesn't occur in the archaeological record until civilization. People in primitive societies are highly equal, with little conflict,and when conflict does arise the tribe just splits, they don't kill each other or jew each other over for a percentage.

TL;DR Fuck farming. Let's pick fruits and nuts and hunt for like 3 hours a day, and spend the rest of the time fucking, telling jokes, stories and sleeping and eating.
 

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Anarcho-Communism pretty much describes the natural state of human beings. Humans have every incentive to live together, peacefully and generously, with their tribal group. Hunter-gathering lasted hundreds of thousands of years. It's demonstrably the most natural and sustainable way for humans to live with each other. 96% of the biomass of mammals are humans and their livestock. 4% of the weight of all wild mammals, elephants, whales, hippos, bison, is what is against all nature. What is a better system? Monarchism, republicanism, aristocracy, democracy, theocracy, oligarchy, have all been tried and failed rapidly. I want to return to Rousseau's state of nature, and thanks to impending nuclear war and ecologic and social collapse, I will.

Rousseau, Discourse on the Inequality of Man

The first man, who, after enclosing a piece of ground, took it into his head to say, "This is mine," and found people simple enough to believe him, was the true founder of civil society. How many crimes, how many wars, how many murders, how many misfortunes and horrors, would that man have saved the human species, who pulling up the stakes or filling up the ditches should have cried to his fellows: Be sure not to listen to this imposter; you are lost, if you forget that the fruits of the earth belong equally to us all, and the earth itself to nobody!
Men soon ceasing to fall asleep under the first tree, or take shelter in the first cavern, lit upon some hard and sharp kinds of stone resembling spades or hatchets, and employed them to dig the ground, cut down trees, and with the branches build huts, which they afterwards bethought themselves of plastering over with clay or dirt. This was the epoch of a first revolution, which produced the establishment and distinction of families, and which introduced a species of property, and along with it perhaps a thousand quarrels and battles.
these conveniences having through use lost almost all their aptness to please, and even degenerated into real wants, the privation of them became far more intolerable than the possession of them had been agreeable; to lose them was a misfortune, to possess them no happiness.
They now begin to assemble round a great tree: singing and dancing, the genuine offspring of love and leisure, become the amusement or rather the occupation of the men and women, free from care, thus gathered together. Every one begins to survey the rest, and wishes to be surveyed himself; and public esteem acquires a value. He who sings or dances best; the handsomest, the strongest, the most dexterous, the most eloquent, comes to be the most respected: this was the first step towards inequality, and at the same time towards vice. From these first preferences there proceeded on one side vanity and contempt, on the other envy and shame; and the fermentation raised by these new leavens at length produced combinations fatal to happiness and innocence.
It was thus that every man, punishing the contempt expressed for him by others in proportion to the value he set upon himself, the effects of revenge became terrible, and men learned to be sanguinary and cruel. Such precisely was the degree attained by most of the savage nations with whom we are acquainted. And it is for want of sufficiently distinguishing ideas, and observing at how great a distance these people were from the first state of nature, that so many authors have hastily concluded that man is naturally cruel, and requires a regular system of police to be reclaimed; whereas nothing can be more gentle than he in his primitive state, when placed by nature at an equal distance from the stupidity of brutes, and the pernicious good sense of civilized man.
This period of the development of the human faculties, holding a just mean between the indolence of the primitive state, and the petulant activity of self-love, must have been the happiest and most durable epoch. The more we reflect on this state, the more convinced we shall be, that it was the least subject of any to revolutions, the best for man, and that nothing could have drawn him out of it but some fatal accident, which, for the public good, should never have happened.
In a word, as long as they undertook such works only as a single person could finish, and stuck to such arts as did not require the joint endeavours of several hands, they lived free, healthy, honest and happy, as much as their nature would admit, and continued to enjoy with each other all the pleasures of an independent intercourse; but from the moment one man began to stand in need of another's assistance; from the moment it appeared an advantage for one man to possess the quantity of provisions requisite for two, all equality vanished; property started up; labour became necessary; and boundless forests became smiling fields, which it was found necessary to water with human sweat, and in which slavery and misery were soon seen to sprout out and grow with the fruits of the earth.
It is iron and corn, which have civilized men, and ruined mankind.


So so so so, just because nothing has worked means nothing will work?

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