Goodfellas (1990)

[TorqueWheeler]

Don't forget those pokey man cards. They're worth a fortune with autists today.

I'm about to watch Heat but only if @LingerLonger says it's good.

Have you never seen Heat, nigga?

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

Henry and Jimmy barely knew Paul Vario. The idea that they were running anything for him is pure revisionism. Hill was a junkie and liar who wrote all sorts of tall tales and wild stories to sell more books and scripts. Vario had nothing to do with their biggest heists either nor did he have anything to do with the point shaving. They were not kicking anything up to Vario outside of minor scores. Vario was a known rapist and weirdo and everyone would try to disassociate from him as well. This idea that they had him going to their wedding and hanging around with their families as some guest of honor is hilarious. They tried to stay away from him as much as possible because he had no respect for women including wives and daughters.

Vario had a long term affair with Karen Hill. And didn't offer any protection to Hill from anyone including Jimmy Burke when he started whacking people right and left. Hill is a known liar and was not a mafia insider. He was a junkie loser. Burke was the brains but also a psycho. Burke was banging Tommy's sister as well. These guys constantly mixed business with pleasure.

It was Peter Vario that probably killed him. The whole fake making ceremony and Gotti torture dungeon is just another ridiculous tall tale from Henry Hill who liked to greatly exaggerate all of his stories for his own amusement.

You can't be in the mafia without being made. That's the entire definition. You are not in the mafia as an associate. Someone like Hesh from the Sopranos was never going to get made. Same with Burke or Hill. Wouldn't happen. Burke had a gang that brushed up against the mafia but was mostly separate.

Anyways mafia members are all faggots. Someone like Jeffrey Epstein was raking in billions and working over U.S. Presidents. And these guys are dealing stolen vacuum cleaners and VCRs out of the backs of their vans for pennies. Real genius criminals.

What is your source in vario being a rapist?

They Did kick up to him because that was varios territory and they had to. And making money for the capo gave you some power because they weren't going to let someone fuck with a guy who is making him money so barring them breaking major rules (which they did) they were safe.

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

That said Mike franzese, who knew Henry, said something along the lines of "he never looked so good as in that movie". He was trying not to be unkind but saying Henry was sort of a sad figure, with his legal and drug problems. The guy made money but seems like Lefty, a guy who for various reasons couldn't keep 2 bucks in his pocket from gambling, drugs or just getting arrested and going to prison where he has no income stream. Which explains why he started dealing with drugs in prison, it was desperation

 

[TorqueWheeler]

That said Mike franzese, who knew Henry, said something along the lines of "he never looked so good as in that movie". He was trying not to be unkind but saying Henry was sort of a sad figure, with his legal and drug problems. The guy made money but seems like Lefty, a guy who for various reasons couldn't keep 2 bucks in his pocket from gambling, drugs or just getting arrested and going to prison where he has no income stream. Which explains why he started dealing with drugs in prison, it was desperation

I'm not proud of this but some of my family on my mom's side are in the life. It's a cutthroat "business" and most people involved are dummies who have no understanding of how to capitalize on it. @Rodeo Clown back me up here.

 

[porquedealer]

Before he died he was selling his 'art' on ebay. I was going to buy a piece for the meme but didn't and regret it.
It was all weird shit and looked like a 5 year old had done it.
The one bit I was going to buy, I remember he had painted a rizla packet as part of it.

 

[Camel Clutch]

Some guys took Henry out to the woods and fucked his ass with a dildo but Henry was so drunk telling the story it was hard to tell what happened.

I have a henry painting in my garage of a rat with a gun. According to ebay it's worth like 4 times what i paid for it!

 

[LingerLonger]

So Meyer Lansky was a powerless faggot? I digress-

Yes. He couldn't even get asylum in israel despite being a jew. He also lost all of his money in Cuba. He literally died almost completely broke. Guy was a total loser. Are you the mob equivalent of a jock sniffer? These guys are mostly mopes that die penniless and broke. Lansky lost the mafia more money than it made both the jews and Italian mafias with his disastrous Cuba play. They poured all of their money into Cuban casinos then Castro shut them down overnight and kept the money for himself. They got played majorly by an actual powerful criminal.

Who do you think took Vario down?

Vario took himself down. He was a drunk and rapist weirdo. He violated parole for drinking and driving and plowing into a tree. Guy was an utter fool and an embarrassment. He would get hammered and hit on women and make a mockery of the mafia in public often. He was not the calm collected guy in Goodfellas in real life. In real life he was a drunk who had major issues with women and could never straighten himself out longer than a week.

Henry was credible enough to land prosecutions of very powerful mafia guys- and effectively sent Burke and Vario to prison on toe tag parole. That doesn't happen if he's a lying nobody and there's no corroboration from elsewhere--

The FBI had to feed Henry Hill information then get him to testify. Hill was a worthless coked out junkie when the FBI flipped him. He was using coke the entire time in the program as well. He was so high on his Stern appearances that you can barely understand a single world emanating from his cake hole. The FBI were begging him to leave the program.

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

Yes. He couldn't even get asylum in israel despite being a jew. He also lost all of his money in Cuba. He literally died almost completely broke. Guy was a total loser. Are you the mob equivalent of a jock sniffer? These guys are mostly mopes that die penniless and broke. Lansky lost the mafia more money than it made both the jews and Italian mafias with his disastrous Cuba play. They poured all of their money into Cuban casinos then Castro shut them down overnight and kept the money for himself. They got played majorly by an actual powerful criminal.

Vario took himself down. He was a drunk and rapist weirdo. He violated parole for drinking and driving and plowing into a tree. Guy was an utter fool and an embarrassment. He would get hammered and hit on women and make a mockery of the mafia in public often. He was not the calm collected guy in Goodfellas in real life. In real life he was a drunk who had major issues with women and could never straighten himself out longer than a week.

The FBI had to feed Henry Hill information then get him to testify. Hill was a worthless coked out junkie when the FBI flipped him. He was using coke the entire time in the program as well. He was so high on his Stern appearances that you can barely understand a single world emanating from his cake hole. The FBI were begging him to leave the program.

You sound like Danny. Again, what is your source on him being a rapist?

 

[LingerLonger]

You sound like Danny. Again, what is your source on him being a rapist?

Vario? His criminal record. I'm literally looking at his sheet right now. Multiple accusations of rape including a guilty sentence and time in jail for raping a minor (15-year-old). Tommy tried to rape Karen Hill. Sonny Franzese was an underboss who was a serial rapist that police protected and some newspapers got fed up and accused him of raping a woman just to ruin his reputation.

Then you have rumors like Frank DeSimone raping a woman. But it turned out that he was having an affair with another mafioso's wife and the guy knew of the affair and did nothing about it. And the guy's nickname became 'cuckold' in the mafia because of it. And so he shot his wife in the head then killed himself out of rage. But his wife Maria Adamo actually survived the bullet in her head.

Christopher Furnari was longtime Lucchese Family member who went to jail for raping a 15-year-old girl then dumping her in the woods to die but she lived. That was his third strike against the law at age 19 but somehow he would get released and rejoin the mafia until his death at nearly 100.

Sam DeStefano was another. Kidnapped a teenage girl and his gang then raped her repeatedly in a garage but they got caught. The rumor was that one time his wife smacked him and hurt him. So he found a guy who would be willing to rape his wife in front of him and the guy did. DeStefano once chained a guy to a chair and blow torched his testicles off to torture him.

Point is that being a rapist was common in the mafia from the 1920s up until the 1990s. Epstein's entire organized crime group was all about child rape. Some of the biggest criminal groups are sex trafficking and rape focused. So it's not uncommon.

 

[EraGodless]

Vario? His criminal record. I'm literally looking at his sheet right now. Multiple accusations of rape including a guilty sentence and time in jail for raping a minor (15-year-old). Tommy tried to rape Karen Hill. Sonny Franzese was an underboss who was a serial rapist that police protected and some newspapers got fed up and accused him of raping a woman just to ruin his reputation.

Then you have rumors like Frank DeSimone raping a woman. But it turned out that he was having an affair with another mafioso's wife and the guy knew of the affair and did nothing about it. And the guy's nickname became 'cuckold' in the mafia because of it. And so he shot his wife in the head then killed himself out of rage. But his wife Maria Adamo actually survived the bullet in her head.

Christopher Furnari was longtime Lucchese Family member who went to jail for raping a 15-year-old girl then dumping her in the woods to die but she lived. That was his third strike against the law at age 19 but somehow he would get released and rejoin the mafia until his death at nearly 100.

Sam DeStefano was another. Kidnapped a teenage girl and his gang then raped her repeatedly in a garage but they got caught. The rumor was that one time his wife smacked him and hurt him. So he found a guy who would be willing to rape his wife in front of him and the guy did. DeStefano once chained a guy to a chair and blow torched his testicles off to torture him.

Point is that being a rapist was common in the mafia from the 1920s up until the 1990s. Epstein's entire organized crime group was all about child rape. Some of the biggest criminal groups are sex trafficking and rape focused. So it's not uncommon.

Nobody gave a shit about the rape stuff. Why was he sent to prison via help from Hill's testimony?

Also, if Hill was a complete nobody, he would have been clipped because of his simple knowledge of the Lufthansa Heist. They knew al.ost immediately who was involved-- regardless of Stacks fucking up. The feds had a lot of CI's that provided info on everything (it's one of the ways Gotti got nabbed for the McBratney hit) or how Burke got caught up in the Richard Keaton murder (hustler and mob associate who fucked over Burke on a 250k drug deal). The difference with the CI's is that they mostly refused to testify. Hill wasn't such a case- again, while he was a fuckip, he didn't completely lose it until the late 80's and after Goodfellas came out.

He had been described as an excellent witness and pretty charming guy by his FBI handlers. They couldn't help but like him. You act like the guys defending the guys he testified against were court appointed attorney's- he faced cross-examination against some of the best criminal defense attorney's of his time- he was getting convictions at time when jury tampering was fairly routine and easy.

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

Vario? His criminal record. I'm literally looking at his sheet right now. Multiple accusations of rape including a guilty sentence and time in jail for raping a minor (15-year-old). Tommy tried to rape Karen Hill. Sonny Franzese was an underboss who was a serial rapist that police protected and some newspapers got fed up and accused him of raping a woman just to ruin his reputation.

Then you have rumors like Frank DeSimone raping a woman. But it turned out that he was having an affair with another mafioso's wife and the guy knew of the affair and did nothing about it. And the guy's nickname became 'cuckold' in the mafia because of it. And so he shot his wife in the head then killed himself out of rage. But his wife Maria Adamo actually survived the bullet in her head.

Christopher Furnari was longtime Lucchese Family member who went to jail for raping a 15-year-old girl then dumping her in the woods to die but she lived. That was his third strike against the law at age 19 but somehow he would get released and rejoin the mafia until his death at nearly 100.

Sam DeStefano was another. Kidnapped a teenage girl and his gang then raped her repeatedly in a garage but they got caught. The rumor was that one time his wife smacked him and hurt him. So he found a guy who would be willing to rape his wife in front of him and the guy did. DeStefano once chained a guy to a chair and blow torched his testicles off to torture him.

Point is that being a rapist was common in the mafia from the 1920s up until the 1990s. Epstein's entire organized crime group was all about child rape. Some of the biggest criminal groups are sex trafficking and rape focused. So it's not uncommon.

I mean I hate to be a sourcenigger but can you link? Just because I've never heard of Sonny Franzese, black sam destefano (edit Mad Sam) or vario being related to sex crimes. i'm not some mob fanboy, I don't deny some of them are capable of fucked up stuff because Roy Dimeo for example was a sick guy who dealt in gross porn but to assume a guy was a rapist without any evidence is a big leap. and claiming any mobster could be because one guy was is an even bigger leap

those guys can be a mixed bag. like in the Donnie Brasco case, Joe Pistone got to know Sonny Black and liked him personally. he felt he could talk about a variety of subjects with him and the guy was an interesting dude. but then he also dealt with Anthony Mirra, who was a miserable violent cunt. Granted other people who knew him denied he was that bad, but that was former mob guys who might try to lesson that angle, like mike franzese.

 

[BUBBLER]

Vario? His criminal record. I'm literally looking at his sheet right now. Multiple accusations of rape including a guilty sentence and time in jail for raping a minor (15-year-old). Tommy tried to rape Karen Hill. Sonny Franzese was an underboss who was a serial rapist that police protected and some newspapers got fed up and accused him of raping a woman just to ruin his reputation.

Then you have rumors like Frank DeSimone raping a woman. But it turned out that he was having an affair with another mafioso's wife and the guy knew of the affair and did nothing about it. And the guy's nickname became 'cuckold' in the mafia because of it. And so he shot his wife in the head then killed himself out of rage. But his wife Maria Adamo actually survived the bullet in her head.

Christopher Furnari was longtime Lucchese Family member who went to jail for raping a 15-year-old girl then dumping her in the woods to die but she lived. That was his third strike against the law at age 19 but somehow he would get released and rejoin the mafia until his death at nearly 100.

Sam DeStefano was another. Kidnapped a teenage girl and his gang then raped her repeatedly in a garage but they got caught. The rumor was that one time his wife smacked him and hurt him. So he found a guy who would be willing to rape his wife in front of him and the guy did. DeStefano once chained a guy to a chair and blow torched his testicles off to torture him.

Point is that being a rapist was common in the mafia from the 1920s up until the 1990s. Epstein's entire organized crime group was all about child rape. Some of the biggest criminal groups are sex trafficking and rape focused. So it's not uncommon.

Also the mob made and distributed KP, but it was fine since there were no laws against it

 

[DMAN]

What, did ya get me on the fawkin Pay No Mind List kid???

 

[Dark Dan Disciple]

Vario? His criminal record. I'm literally looking at his sheet right now. Multiple accusations of rape including a guilty sentence and time in jail for raping a minor (15-year-old). Tommy tried to rape Karen Hill. Sonny Franzese was an underboss who was a serial rapist that police protected and some newspapers got fed up and accused him of raping a woman just to ruin his reputation.

Then you have rumors like Frank DeSimone raping a woman. But it turned out that he was having an affair with another mafioso's wife and the guy knew of the affair and did nothing about it. And the guy's nickname became 'cuckold' in the mafia because of it. And so he shot his wife in the head then killed himself out of rage. But his wife Maria Adamo actually survived the bullet in her head.

Christopher Furnari was longtime Lucchese Family member who went to jail for raping a 15-year-old girl then dumping her in the woods to die but she lived. That was his third strike against the law at age 19 but somehow he would get released and rejoin the mafia until his death at nearly 100.

Sam DeStefano was another. Kidnapped a teenage girl and his gang then raped her repeatedly in a garage but they got caught. The rumor was that one time his wife smacked him and hurt him. So he found a guy who would be willing to rape his wife in front of him and the guy did. DeStefano once chained a guy to a chair and blow torched his testicles off to torture him.

Point is that being a rapist was common in the mafia from the 1920s up until the 1990s. Epstein's entire organized crime group was all about child rape. Some of the biggest criminal groups are sex trafficking and rape focused. So it's not uncommon.

Just read DeStegano’s wiki and holy shit he was one of a kind! They couldn’t even make a movie about this guy. Too dark.

 

[chiquita banana]

DeStegano's is one of my favorite places on the Lower East Side!! All these Italian names are making me want to have some pasta fazzul

 

[JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler]

Also the mob made and distributed KP, but it was fine since there were no laws against it

To be fair demeo was told by his capo Anthony gaggi to knock that off because it was unseemly, but DeMeo was feared enough that he just ignored him.

Also this "Henry didn't even know Paul Vario" argument linger is making makes no sense. Henry grew up with Paulie's sons peter and Paul, and the former introduced him to his wife. So yeah Paulie's family would all be invited to Henry's wedding