Dogma 2 is being worked on

[Easily_Remembered]

I remember some faggot writing an article detailing his experience as Kevin Smith's assistant and what a nightmare it was, but it seems to have been scrubbed from the internet as well.

 

[UnPRePared]

Well the first one is decent. I liked KS alot when I was 15ish, especially after watching "Evening With..." while I was supposed to be grounded from TV . Although, whereas I'll defend Monty Python that I liked a lot earlier on than that, I'm not gonna try to defend Kevin Smith stuff. I watched Dogma maybe 5 years ago and it was alright..if you haven't seen it I guess you may as well check it out. Chasing Amy and Clerks 1 are kinda cringy now. Clerks 2 I haven't watched in forever but I'd bet that it holds up the best, theres still shit I laugh about when I'm reminded of from that one. J and Silent Bob Strike Back and Mallrats are probably okay for a drunken afternoon. Clerks 3 was an abomination.

Dogma is still an ok watch. There's no mean spirit to it - if anything, it celebrates the best tenets of Christianity: love and help one another, tolerance and the like, while taking the piss out of the corporatization of certain facets, hence Buddy Christ.

The rest is a mixed bag: Chasing Amy used to make me laugh but it's clearly pretentious. Mallrats is dumb escapism, like a stoners Smokey and The Bandit. Clerks 1 had aged poorly and I'll never watch Clerks 3.


I think I'll concur with you on 2. Took me years to watch but I was genuinely impressed, it seems like he finally grew as a filmmaker and had something to really say about his generation of slackers.... And then he made Zack and Miri.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Dogma is still an ok watch. There's no mean spirit to it - if anything, it celebrates the best tenets of Christianity: love and help one another, tolerance and the like, while taking the piss out of the corporatization of certain facets, hence Buddy Christ.

The rest is a mixed bag: Chasing Amy used to make me laugh but it's clearly pretentious. Mallrats is dumb escapism, like a stoners Smokey and The Bandit. Clerks 1 had aged poorly and I'll never watch Clerks 3.


I think I'll concur with you on 2. Took me years to watch but I was genuinely impressed, it seems like he finally grew as a filmmaker and had something to really say about his generation of slackers.... And then he made Zack and Miri.

Zack and Miri was when he started smoking weed if I remember correctly.

 

[UnPRePared]

Zack and Miri was when he started smoking weed if I remember correctly.

It ruined what he had gained. I will defend Clerks 2 as an actual good film, but I can't say that about anything he's done since.

He was always a wasted talent: no knowledge of lenses, no drive to improve his scope and shot blocking, no interest in angles, color tone and visuals.

He is the epitome of a dialogue director, HIS dialogue at that. It's selfish when you think about it.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

It ruined what he had gained. I will defend Clerks 2 as an actual good film, but I can't say that about anything he's done since.

He was always a wasted talent: no knowledge of lenses, no drive to improve his scope and shot blocking, no interest in angles, color tone and visuals.

He is the epitome of a dialogue director, HIS dialogue at that. It's selfish when you think about it.

He admitted that Randall has all the best lines in 1 because he was supposed to play him. I don’t even dislike Cop Out but I just love Tracy Morgan.

 

[UnPRePared]

He admitted that Randall has all the best lines in 1 because he was supposed to play him. I don’t even dislike Cop Out but I just love Tracy Morgan.

Cop Out is awful, and Kevin came across as a cry baby cunt for blasting Bruce Willis on that.

Bruce was well known for being intolerable on sets, long before the degenerative disease started taking him, but I don't fault him for questioning Smith's directing skills. Everything he said to Kevin was absolutely right.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Cop Out is awful, and Kevin came across as a cry baby cunt for blasting Bruce Willis on that.

Bruce was well known for being intolerable on sets, long before the degenerative disease started taking him, but I don't fault him for questioning Smith's directing skills. Everything he said to Kevin was absolutely right.

I guess Kevin would get mad at Bruce and go smoke weed in his trailer all day. I w as listening to him talk about the Batman script he wrote on a Stern compilation and Stern offered to make it for him. Howard probably had other projects going on at the same time. So that’s why it fell through.

 

[UnPRePared]

I guess Kevin would get mad at Bruce and go smoke weed in his trailer all day. I w as listening to him talk about the Batman script he wrote on a Stern compilation and Stern offered to make it for him. Howard probably had other projects going on at the same time. So that’s why it fell through.

Like Stern could get a Batman film made when 1). Warner owns the IP and 2). As one of their few moneymakers, no one outside a chosen few would touch it.

Smith did write a great Superman script treatment, though. I've read it a few times myself, and it's excellent. It got shelved when Warner hired Burton to direct and he went another way with it, the infamous Superman Lives debacle.

I won't ever take away from Smith's writing skills, that's the one area I think he excels. But he lacks the imagination and initiative to be a good director.

It would be like if Sam Raimi was a pothead when he made Evil Dead - the film would've looked like you were watching a stage play.

 

[Nigger John]

I forgot about Zack and keri. I did t mind that, it was at least a comedy . You don’t see that anymore these days.

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Like Stern could get a Batman film made when 1). Warner owns the IP and 2). As one of their few moneymakers, no one outside a chosen few would touch it.

Smith did write a great Superman script treatment, though. I've read it a few times myself, and it's excellent. It got shelved when Warner hired Burton to direct and he went another way with it, the infamous Superman Lives debacle.

I won't ever take away from Smith's writing skills, that's the one area I think he excels. But he lacks the imagination and initiative to be a good director.

It would be like if Sam Raimi was a pothead when he made Evil Dead - the film would've looked like you were watching a stage play.

I meant Superman, my bad haha.

 

[DooDooBrown]

Cop Out is awful, and Kevin came across as a cry baby cunt for blasting Bruce Willis on that.

Bruce was well known for being intolerable on sets, long before the degenerative disease started taking him, but I don't fault him for questioning Smith's directing skills. Everything he said to Kevin was absolutely right.

This always seemed to be the case to me. Bruce Willis was a massive star collecting a paycheck, Smith was a fat lazy slob who was used to working with nobodies who treated him like Orson Welles. Smith famously FELL ASLEEP DURING TAKES while he was making Clerks. Willis probably acted like a prima donna, but he’d long since earned that right, and from what I’ve heard, what he mostly did was stay in his trailer until he was ready to shoot (shitty but typical movie star behavior) and make fun of Smith to the crew, which was probably deserved.

The only reason Willis is seen as the big bad villain of the set is that Smith whined about him publicly for years, whereas Willis didn’t say a word because Cop Out was just one of a thousand shitty action movies he got a paycheck for.

I forgot about Zack and keri. I did t mind that, it was at least a comedy . You don’t see that anymore these days.

Unfortunately since he was blatantly ripping off Apatow, the movie had to turn into a drama in the third act as though anyone actually gave a shit about these characters.

 

[UnPRePared]

This always seemed to be the case to me. Bruce Willis was a massive star collecting a paycheck, Smith was a fat lazy slob who was used to working with nobodies who treated him like Orson Welles. Smith famously FELL ASLEEP DURING TAKES while he was making Clerks. Willis probably acted like a prima donna, but he’d long since earned that right, and from what I’ve heard, what he mostly did was stay in his trailer until he was ready to shoot (shitty but typical movie star behavior) and make fun of Smith to the crew, which was probably deserved.

The only reason Willis is seen as the big bad villain of the set is that Smith whined about him publicly for years, whereas Willis didn’t say a word because Cop Out was just one of a thousand shitty action movies he got a paycheck for.

Unfortunately since he was blatantly ripping off Apatow, the movie had to turn into a drama in the third act as though anyone actually gave a shit about these characters.

Willis was in the right and Smith tries to apologize about it now like a bitch. And Zack and Miri? It was absolutely an Apatow rip off.

And anyone who defends Red State, FUCK. YOU. It's different, very different for him in fact, but it's handled poorly in direction, script and editing. Motherfucker should've spent a month with Roger Corman to learn how to make something low budget seem bigger than it was. And Tusk has a good cast, but he's trying to be Eli Roth. It's like John Wayne playing Genghis Khan - yes, it's on the screen, somehow it got bloody made, but it's not good.

And throughout all of that, I guarantee you THAT HE WAS, AND IS, STILL FUCKING CRYING!

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

I was under the impression that “Zack and Miri Make a Porno” was an Apatow movie. I assumed he wrote it or was involved in it somehow.

 

[UnPRePared]

I was under the impression that “Zack and Miri Make a Porno” was an Apatow movie. I assumed he wrote it or was involved in it somehow.

Apatow had nothing to do with it. He just cribbed a lot of his crew and somehow made something even worse than Judd ever has.

I'd like to tell Smith to stay in his Lane, but then he made Clerks III. Might as well hang it up.

 

[BrotherMan1488]

Damn, my bad. Thread over. Kind of a douchey thing for him to say that then walk it back. I’ve never seen the first one but I figured this would start a conversation. Also that Cracked article is douchey as fuck:
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Kevin Smith watched (((Harvey Weinstein))) shower?

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

Kevin Smith watched (((Harvey Weinstein))) shower?

If memory serves me correctly, Kevin financed and produced Clerks himself then made a distribution deal with Miramax. He’s said more than a few times that he owes his career to Harvey.

 

[BrotherMan1488]

If memory serves me correctly, Kevin financed and produced Clerks himself then made a distribution deal with Miramax. He’s said more than a few times that he owes his career to Harvey.

I felt Kevin wouldn't/could've have made anything after MallRats without Harveys mutilated penis being involved (MallRats was shit)

 

[BonnieMcFarlaneMe2]

I felt Kevin wouldn't/could've have made anything after MallRats without Harveys mutilated penis being involved (MallRats was shit)

#Justice4Harvey

 

[PogromStallone]

Zack and Miri was when he started smoking weed if I remember correctly.

He started smoking the weekend Zack and Miri bombed at the box office.

I won't ever take away from Smith's writing skills, that's the one area I think he excels. But he lacks the imagination and initiative to be a good director.

I haven't seen Red State since it came out but I remember thinking that was the next step for him as a director, the camera actually moved in that one. Same thing with Tusk where he used zooms and shit like that. And then he went on to make the worst films of his career.

 

[DMAN]

Mallrats was indeed terrible, it was like all the worst parts of Clerks but commercialized over the top. The main guy who wasn't Jason Lee fucking stunk. "TS Quint?" What a stupid fucking name. And people in the movie, including girls, actually called him "T.S." Wtf?

Jay & Bob Strike Back 2001 was a true modern day Cheech and Chong. The Planet of the Apes scene is one of the best things Kevin Smith ever did. YOU MANIACS! DAMN YOUSE! GAWD DAMN YOUSE ALL TA HELLLLLL!