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"Before the white man came we had no concept of ownership.. "

TheGhostOfAbeVigoda

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WWAW with the rise of Grolar bears?

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I wonder what type of soft drink they prefer.
 

Turk February

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The area wasn't there until they built it, stupid fuckass. They had to make it out of gravel or whatever. They also knocked over the stupid inukshuks and used the big rocks from those.

Hey, shitfucker, if the area's always been there, why has it only been Nunavut since 1999? MORON. IDIOT.
I like a spirited debate but the merciless teasing isn't necessarily
 

Suetonius

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"but also the white man stole all of our land."
I mean i get your point but its super complicated. Each tribe is different from the next in terms of values and concepts. They may not have literally “owned” the land but they had undefined understanding of which lands applied to which tribes.

But fuck all that. Their biggest contention is the fact that when the white men formed a government here they signed all these treaties with Indians basically saying “We promise to never take your land, it’s yours” then like 5 years later we went “Lol oops nevermind you don’t own shit”
 

Suetonius

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Who fucking cares? You're always dribbling on about some esoteric horseshit when it adds NOTHING to the conversation. Whoever was here got their asses kicked and their shit taken away. So it goes.
This is my problem when people criticize 19th/20th century American imperialism. It was the status quo. If we didn’t take (insert country here), the Brits or whoever else would have taken it. Its not like if they went uncolonized by us they would never be colonized period. Look at how all the European countries raped Africa when we had 0 part in any of it.
 

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I mean i get your point but its super complicated. Each tribe is different from the next in terms of values and concepts. They may not have literally “owned” the land but they had undefined understanding of which lands applied to which tribes.

But fuck all that. Their biggest contention is the fact that when the white men formed a government here they signed all these treaties with Indians basically saying “We promise to never take your land, it’s yours” then like 5 years later we went “Lol oops nevermind you don’t own shit”
Isnt that what NATO expansion was all about? Aswell as Israeli annexation of Palestinian territory? How come it worked on these "Injuns" but failing in real time, lol. (native Americans weren't shit, or the history is bs)
 

TheGhostOfAbeVigoda

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I have a master's degree is rhetoric and communication design. I've coached debate teams in national competitions. Do you have any idea how sad that video made me?
You see a flaw in their tactics or something?

Andthenthenigga UH theniggabeenagaynigga UH andthenthatothaniggagetsobliterated UH

It's the Ja Rule method.
 

Suetonius

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Isnt that what NATO expansion was all about? Aswell as Israeli annexation of Palestinian territory? How come it worked on these "Injuns" but failing in real time, lol. (native Americans weren't shit, or the history is bs)
You just answered your question. Native Americans weren’t shit. I’m not talking pilgrim times but again the 19th century. By that point we had guns, a federal government, a civilized society, and a need for expansion. We were also smarter. If we couldn’t wipe out your people we’d just kill all your animals.

Take Florida for example. Owned by the Spanish but could barely keep control of it because of the wild Indians, disconnection from the territory, etc. We basically just barged in there and started fighting off the Indians and used the fact that WE could control the territory as a reason why Spain should sell us the land. And it worked. And then we started making all the Indians not killed march westward.

Basically they were literally idiots and made to be conquered just like the Africans.
 

Suetonius

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Isnt that what NATO expansion was all about? Aswell as Israeli annexation of Palestinian territory? How come it worked on these "Injuns" but failing in real time, lol. (native Americans weren't shit, or the history is bs)
Hold on because I thought you were responding to something else so i’ll readjust my answer. It’s failing in real time because the Injuns were stupid and naive. “BUT YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH US!” is literally their defense. Now people know it doesn’t mean shit and Indians are a perfect example of that. We also agreed to give them representation in the US congress then went back on that promise - Even Puerto Rico and our other shitty little islands have members in the congress, lol.
 

The NaTurryl Man

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I mean i get your point but its super complicated. Each tribe is different from the next in terms of values and concepts. They may not have literally “owned” the land but they had undefined understanding of which lands applied to which tribes.

But fuck all that. Their biggest contention is the fact that when the white men formed a government here they signed all these treaties with Indians basically saying “We promise to never take your land, it’s yours” then like 5 years later we went “Lol oops nevermind you don’t own shit”
The mistake the euros made was even promising them anything in the first place. Nice principles that you couldn't stand by, stupits.
 

BigSexyDaddy123

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I think the whole "Native Americans were here before Columbus" is a psyop...a lot were Siberian and Turkic coolies brought by the Russians via Archangel, etc in the 1700s-1800s. They're not all the same people. There were black-ish tribes, redskins, etc in here already.

Your history is fake af.
And then they shared all their misdeeds, the rapes and pillages, the thanksgiving lore, with the "plebs" (you) just because...riiight.

Your status quos are built on a house of cards.
It makes you question everything.

These people supposedly got their horses from the "Spanish" but became better horse riders than them? They could domesticate and train horses but didn't even have chicken, or sheep or goats...hunter gatherer "sass". These primitive Apaches held their own against the mighty Spaniards, but high civ. Aztecs couldn't? right...

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Looks more like 3rd-4th generation Central Asian/Filipino POWs/slaves to me.
You're genuinely fucking retarded
 
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