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Niki

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BigBeanFatty

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I don't know shit about gubmernment stuff, buy why would a party switch make a difference? Party affiliation doesn't actually matter right? What matter for majority counts is caucusing? If the senate is 50/50, tie goes to the VP. So let's say the Senate is 50/50, a democrat can caucus with a Republican and change the majority to republican without necessarily changing party affiliation.
I think you're forgetting that Patrick is dumb.
 

Dennis Denuto

It's the vibe
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I'm sure Patrick would have called for the same thing if a Republican switched over to Democrat and started voting with them. Patrick is an objective and level-headed person, after all. Also, 12 fucking weeks is enough time to decide whether you need to kill your baby.
I wonder what Patrick will say when he's informed that his model European states generally have a rule that you can't abort after 12 weeks.
 

NoBacon

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I'm sure Patrick would have called for the same thing if a Republican switched over to Democrat and started voting with them. Patrick is an objective and level-headed person, after all. Also, 12 fucking weeks is enough time to decide whether you need to kill your baby.

Patrick was convicted of threatening to wait till his baby was born before murdering her in front of her own mother and her mothers boyfriend.

He also has never paid her any money and signed away his rights to her three separate times.
 
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I don't know shit about gubmernment stuff, buy why would a party switch make a difference? Party affiliation doesn't actually matter right? What matter for majority counts is caucusing? If the senate is 50/50, tie goes to the VP. So let's say the Senate is 50/50, a democrat can caucus with a Republican and change the majority to republican without necessarily changing party affiliation.
Committee chairmanships are on the line as well but yeah, you're not forced into a vote or anything by your party.
 

JoeBrotheChildSpitGuzzler

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I'm sure Patrick would have called for the same thing if a Republican switched over to Democrat and started voting with them. Patrick is an objective and level-headed person, after all. Also, 12 fucking weeks is enough time to decide whether you need to kill your baby.
Bernie Sanders would switch from Independent to Democrat every time he was running for president.
 

Jims_Maroon_Pants

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Yeah, and they require ID to vote, and deport illegal immigrants. Shocking.
In Greece it's the law that you have to vote too, or else face fines and jail time. You also have to vote from where you're from, so many people during the election times have to leave the big cities and drive hours away to vote in some tiny village.
 

Suetonius

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I don't know shit about gubmernment stuff, buy why would a party switch make a difference? Party affiliation doesn't actually matter right? What matter for majority counts is caucusing?
Because Patrick is a fucking idiot. I think i’ll try to break down his logic and why it’s so stupid.

In most US elections people don’t vote based on candidate or beliefs but based on party. This isn’t how it SHOULD be but its how it is. Pat would vote for an anti-abortion literal fascist if they had a D next to their name. So by Pats logic…”They only voted for you cuz of the D next to your name, and now it’s not there anymore?? RELECTION?!?!”

Why this is retarded is so, so many reasons. First of all you vote for the person and their beliefs. Their party affiliation is only a narrow identifier of what they’re for. Second, he’s so assblasted over this because the person changed from D to R. Yet he doesn’t complain about Joe Manchin who changed from a R to a D. Or Joe Liebermann who changed from a D to an I. Or Angus King who went from a D to an I. It’s almost more strange for a politician NOT to switch parties. We live in a time of such fierce partisan that the ability for someone to change their beliefs and party identification is pretty noble.

If the senate is 50/50, tie goes to the VP. So let's say the Senate is 50/50, a democrat can caucus with a Republican and change the majority to republican without necessarily changing party affiliation.
The senate right now is 50/50. If a D changed to R the swing would be, on paper, 49/51. However like you said most often than not a party change is purely symbolic. Joe Manchin went from R to D but still heavily votes Republican. So yes, the votes would still land 50/50 and cause the VP to cast a tie breaking vote. Pat is a fucking idiot who is only thinking of this shit like a sports team.
 
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Suetonius

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Ok wait a second, because this has to be reframed. This isn’t someone in the Federal government but in North Carolinas House of Representatives which is currently stacked 72 R and 48 D. This bitch switching over had NO EFFECT on the makeup of the states legislature.

I also forgot to say this in my last comment. You could have a case where say a hardcore Republican runs as a Democrat in an extremely liberal district of California. Then the minute he wins (simply because he ran as a D) he can switch his party affiliation over to Republican. However, this almost guarantees he won’t be reelected. He’d also have to be good enough at playing a Dem to be elected by it’s voters. The other problem is US politics is extremely partisan and i’m not talking about across both aisles but just in one party. The Republican members would NOT accept a junior member joining their side after campaigning and winning on Dem votes. And Republican voters wouldn’t be keen that a guy flip flops on party / ideology JUST to get elected.
 

Suetonius

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I’m shitting up the thread but for once my knowledge is actually of some use. The way Patrick is describing the use of special elections is borderline authoritarian. Special elections are called by the state governors after a resignation or death of a state congressional representative. A famous one was NJ’s gay mayor, who I can’t remember the name of, was forced to resign after his dick sucking scandal and a special election was held, resulting in a Republican winning (from what I remember). What special elections are NOT used for is partisan issues decided by the Governor at whim. He can’t completely invalidate a members status or induction into Congress simply because they changed their party, something they are legally allowed to do.

And funny enough…after the 2020 election one of the ideas floated by Trump was a recall of the election due to the fraudulent votes or invalid electorates. And of course Pat derided this as fascism. “You can’t just hold elections again because your side didn’t win!” Well look at that, as usual, he has no fucking consistency and is a massive tard.
 
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